The EU staggers! What of our citizens rights?
Posted by Sitemaster on August 9, 2007
The Grand Mufti of Brussels!
The Brussels mayor, the Socialist Freddy Thielemans, has, a short time ago, sent out a press release in which he has banned the demonstration on the 11th sept.
The reason for the prohibition is that he says he cannot guarantee public safety and that he won’t disturb the Islamic section of the population in Brussels.
By invoking the lack of public safety, he is precisely highlighting SIOE’s demonstration title:
Stop the Islamisation of Europe.
SIOE’s message through the 4 slogans is exactly to warn against conditions such as these, where people no longer can use their freedom of expression and feel secure, but the shocking facts are that these conditions already reign at the heart of the EU.
SIOE’s demonstration will of course happen, as a peaceful utterance of opinion, an utterance of opinion for which Moslems have countless times received permission to demonstrate in Brussels.
Therefore it is, of course, completely absurd to ban a peaceful demonstration because they are afraid of violent muslim counter-demonstrators!
The mayor in Brussels is not fully aware of his responsibility, for as a mayor at EU’s capital you cannot simply forbid ordinary European citizens to express their constitutional freedoms.
Was he mayor in Antwerp or any other town in Belgium, he would equally have to allow the freedom of expression to exist, but precisely a Socialistic mayor at EU’s capital has a greater responsibility, not just to Brussels’ own citizens, but also to the citizens of the EU as a whole.
You must expect that when the capital in the EU is called Brussels.
It will it be necessary for the people to influence politicians in Brussels, among other things through demonstrations and delivery of petitions.
peter de jong said
Stop the new fasiscm called ISLAM
Fred said
Do not forget also that a couple of years ago, a secret note for the Belgian Socialist Party got published in the media. The note was “suggesting” to the elected bodies member of the PS to help as much as possible north african (mostly Morrocan in Belgium) to obtain Belgian citizenship as they would be allowed to vote and would most probably vote for the PS.
Robert P van Driel said
I want Europe islam-free NOW.
Muslims have become a disease rather than a blessing.
Check out it out here.
Senior said
So will the demonstration in the form originally anticipated by SIOE go ahead in Brussels? Will it go ahead elsewhere? Can you please state clearly what is to happen now?
Pete (UK) said
Freddy Thielemans is clearly an idiot of infinite proportions. I just cannot believe what I’ve just read – I’m so consumed by indignation over this stupid decision that I’ll have to come back to this when I’ve calmed down.
RA said
@Senior,
Dewinter of the VB has announced the demo will go on, the posters on other blogs, mostly Dutch/Vlemmish, say they will still show up. I’ll be there unless it is called off by someone a bit more respectable that this dhimmie mayor.
frakked said
thanks Pete…
I’d just like to agree!!!!
I knew the world was going slowly insane, but this takes the cake!!
Sagunto said
Suggestion:
Come together 9/11 in Brussels everyone and bring your plates & banners without txt, just plain spotless blanco and keep silent. This will make absolutely clear to the public what can’t be said. The authorities won’t be able to arrest someone for statements not expressed. But people will know what it’s all about: (self)islamisation of the political elites.
Sag.
kiwi said
Most of the people here have no clue about islam. Muslims are peaceful and they seek for peace. The problem are the extremist and in each religion they are extremist. The media only talk about them, they represent most probably 1% of the muslims. The Inquisition had made a lot of dead. Are we going to say that Christianism is a terror? The Sionism is killing a lot of Palestians? Are we going to say that Jewish are terrorist? Certainly NOT.
I am a muslim living in Brussels and working in Antwerp in an international company. All my colleagues are belgian and we have a good understanding (respect) of each other.
If you would like to talk about islam, please go and read some good books.
Regards,
TheOPINIONATOR said
People should still attend the march and if arrested complaints should be filed with the European Court of Human Rights –
That is if we still have the right to do so?????
Actually I am so angered by this that I will write more when I “calm down”.
Captain America said
That’s a good start, Freddy.
Now get down on your knees.
Eyes down.
Shut that mouth of yours.
Isn’t this a fun way to live?
Now don’t move & no one will get hurt.
Jonathan Fernande said
The Fraternity of Flemish Catholic Students Ghent (www.kvhvgent.be) supports the demonstration. We will all be there.
Henry said
It’s typical socialist!
We have the same problem in France with Delanoé (surname:”Notre Dame de Paris”). He doing arabic apology. That’s inredible
Monique said
I support the idea of Sagunto! Let’s make a statement!
marjan said
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com over religies in alle tijden
vooral het einde is verbluffend
al gezien?
Magnus Nielsen said
Can you supply us with an e-mail address for Freddy Thielmans, so that we can express our views?
john mcdonald said
We dont need permission – this may act in our favour – put the word out that we are now marching for our freedom of expression – a fundamental right that ALL EUROPEANS SHOULD TURN UP ON THE DAY TO ASSERT!!
ada (netherlands) said
Lord mayor of Brussel, Thielemans, has birthday on the 11th of september. Let’s bring him a nice present, a koran maybe.
On the official website of the town Brussel is it written that Thielemans is a humanist and a great defender of democracy.
http://www.brucity.be/artdet.cfm?nLanguage=2&id=127
Henrik Ræder Clausen said
Please, instead of bringing Thielemans something that will make him more confused, bring him something useful!
Books by Robert Spencer, Serge Trifkovic, Daniel Pipes and (not least) Craig Winn is a much better idea. He should be made aware that there is depth in what is going on, and I’m sure handing him a mini-library of useful litterature could be picked up by the press, too.
I’ve sent books to politicians before. Blair, Brown & Frattini. It’s cheap, and it just might work.
Monique said
@John MacDonald: Eureka! That’s it! We’ve got the right of free speech…or as Sagunto says: to be silent!
ada (netherlands) said
@Henrik: give Thielemans whatever you want. Your suggestions seems very good to me. But let’s take the special opportunity that Thielemans has birthday on 9/11.
I see on the website I just mentioned that three members of the Brussel adminstration are of islamic origin.
dingeske said
All right, I wasn’t sure yet to come, but now that our fundamental rights are being violated by this islamo-socialist dictator, we have to react. I’ll be there on 9/11, with a nice USA-flag too!
Henrik Ræder Clausen said
Yup, Ada, I just might do this. I’m in Denmark, and going to Brussels for a demo is, well, a bit of a trip, and sending a bunch of books is cheaper than a flight anyway. Just I think making a little birthday ceremony just might attract some press, which would be good – which is why I suggest it for a common idea.
There’s some psykology to my idea, too. Handing Thielemans a Quran essentially is this message: “You moron dhimmi, you ought to know better.”
And while it’s true, it’s not particular useful.
I think a better choice is something like: “Dear humanist and defender of democracy. It seems you slipped up a bit. Enclosed is some quality litterature that will enable you to do the right thing next time. We are all behind you on this.”
Now, I’m not suggesting that we should like the moron. There’s no need. But people are much more receptive to people who praise and support them, and our goal is dependent on politicians getting our point and acting on it. Thus, praising him for what he should be doing obliges him to do it, while we supply him with the information he needs to do it.
Let me know what you think..?
DP111 said
Our politicians are dhimmis and worse. Not only do they use the language of dhimmis, but actually assist in the destruction of Western culture and society. In effect they are Quislings.
From Wikipedia
“Quisling” – is synonymous with “traitor”, and particularly applied to politicians who appear to favour the interests of other nations or cultures over their own.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling
Beckwith said
First the socialists disarmed the Europeans and now they are turning Europe over to the Muslims — musn’t offend.
Europeans need to do something, anything — and soon.
There’s precious little room in America anymore — our politicians are giving the country to the Mexicans.
Antonio said
SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
STOP THE FASCISM THEY CALL SOCIALISM!
I will go to Brussels on 9/11 anyway!
———
2 KIWI
1) “Most of the people here have no clue about islam.”. Unfortunately it is true.
2) “Muslims are peaceful and they seek for peace.” Why dont you told that to the minor of Brussels. Maybe he will autorize the demo.
3) “If you would like to talk about islam, please go and read some good books.” This was already done. Maybe you didnot undersyand really what is told in Koran.
bob the bloody yank said
what cowards run your countries! you are voluntarily marching into tyranny– Flemish and French speakers unite and gain your coutry back before it is too late.
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atheliing said
I hope this won’t stop you folks from standing up and asserting your right to opine. Perhaps you all ought to wear tape over your mouths to demonstrate how the powers that be try to muzzle you.
We here in the US are with you in spirit.
DP111 said
Politicians,like their counterparts in the MSM, are very afraid of Muslims. The very same Muslims, that in a fit of absentmindedness or ignorance of history, they allowed into Europe in the millions, without the consent of European nations.
Now the politicians, and we hapless people, are stuck. Meanwhile The MSM is also afraid of Muslims, as the cartoon Jihad showed convincingly. The MSM knows, that writing anything against Muslims, would be rather unhealthy for them. So what we have are the two planks of a democratic state, politician and journalist, coupled together in a marriage of fear – an operatic theme maybe?.
Mimi said
A suggestion what to wear. They have these clever looking Israeli scarves. They look just like kaffiye – an Arafat terrorist scarf. The only difference that instead of the chain-link design, they have interlinked Stars of David (in blue). How about wrapping these scarves around our faces to reveal just the eyes – the same way that muslims conceal their faces with kuffiye?
Here is a link to the site of instructions on how to wrap them:
http://www.actiongear.com/agcatalog/shemagh.html
Cimmerian said
Go here:
http://www.brucity.be/artdet.cfm?id=88&nLanguage=2
to see a pic of the fat quisling flanked by his ‘team’.
I don’t see many actual Belgians in the group that runs Belgium’s capital city.
May he get to meet his other 70 Virgins asap!
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HirsiAliForever said
On first hearing about this ban, I assumed that there would be NO important reaction from people with insight, people who understand that sharia laws (in partcular, the Dhimmi laws, the Koranic punishments, and the applauding of deception) are incompatible with truthfulness and decency. But maybe I underestimated the moral strength of the culture.
The generation of your parents or grandparents killed 6 million Jews, and then another generation, fearful of doing evil again, let in 15+ million Muslims and refused to make the distinctions necessary to defend the fruits of Judeo-Christian culture.
It is time to understand. Islam is a political system, unworthy of the protections or respect reserved for a private religion.
Please come together, even if the some of the words you’ll hear — or even say — sound reminiscent of the early Nazis. The first step is to return to the Churches. The next is to remove welfare and special civil-rights protection from people who wish you harm, or whose children will wish you harm no matter your smiling intent.
MacDougall said
Nice spoken words, sitemaster! Really, the old and green hills of our great King Arthur are constant being desacrated by a bunch of thugs from some godforsaken place in the desert. How far the World has come…
Muslim Guy said
I can not believe what you guys are doing. It is something to fight against extremist Muslims, it is another thing to declare war on Islam.
Many Muslims like myself are secular or are people who have nothing to do with extremism.
I understand that some people feel threatened that their identity is under attack but I believe this is just a stage in globalization where the world will reach a balance point in some time to come to accomodate all different beliefs.
This kind of racism can only result in Europe and the world to go backwards.
This is crazy. I am shocked.
We have not declared war on islam. Islam has declared jihad over the entire world. We would rather not see our lands under sharia law. Thankyou.
Sitemaster.
Gian said
I’m belgian, so forgive my bad english.
First, it seems to be illegal to forbid a demo that can cause some troubles… The fact is that the grand Mufti (well find) has fear for his place, as mayor of Brussels , for the next election.
And like Belgian, I have a little shame which this prohibition has place in my country. But it should be understood that the Belgian policy, is exceeded.
3 months after the elections, we still don’t have governments. And to finish, that proves well that there is a faintness between the Westerners and the Moslems. How it is made that a country is afraid to authorize a demonstration. There goes from is, remain logical, that there will be violences. As in France, or everywhere in the world, lorqu’ it is a question of this religion.
Long life for your movement, and don’t consider too quickly the people Belgian for this fact.
Jane said
Just more heart-breaking evidence that we’re echoing the 1930s in so many ways — venal, self-promoting politicians, a public that ignores all the warning signs and an utterly ruthless, committed and organized enemy.
Sept. 11 in Brussels will be an important battle.
WE MUST WIN IT.
I’m writing folks in talk-radio, my Congressman and Senators, the Washington Times and other news outlets to try to shed some light on this in our country.
Please, EVERYONE, do the same.
The world is a much smaller place now than during the last great hot war. We in America are in great jeopardy, as are our brothers and sisters in Europe. This time, let’s get it right BEFORE millions die.
OliverPCamford said
The number of Muslims in Europe can be ascertained by consulting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_in_Western_Europe
and
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4385768.stm
My position on the issue of what the forces of law and order in one samll part of Europe are doing can be ascertained by reading at
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017693.php#comments
Support me if you can!
OliverPCamford said
OK, for ’samll’ read ’small’. Sometimes I just hate my keyboard!
robert a said
The U.S. has its faults but Europe can’t seem to do anything right for any length of time. Are we going to have to save Europe again? Europe is like a parent with Alzheimer’s.
Magnus Nielsen said
A couple of comments from Dhimmiwatch.org who have picked up this story -
(1)
He won’t disturb the Islamic section of the population”.
Translation: he’s afraid the Muslims will riot, burn cars, kill people, etc., because their poor little feelings will be offended by the telling of painful truths about Islam.
Go, go, guys. Do your demonstration in Brussels anyway. Very peacefully. And explain, clearly, politely, and in public, the many good reasons why sharia law is cruel and oppressive, repeatedly violates virtually every provision of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and should not be recognised within a Western society in any way, shape, or form. You will merely be saying out loud in public precisely what might be said, and proven from the texts, in any university lecture hall worthy of the name. Perhaps have Mr Schacht’s ‘Introduction to Islamic Law’ on hand, from which to quote; or Samuel Zwemer, ‘The Law of Apostasy in Islam’, with its abundant historical documentation. Or “The Reliance of the Traveller”, a handbook of Islamic law done by Muslims for Muslims.
Within Enlightenment culture, freedom of speech and freedom of religion imply freedom to criticise and question all belief systems and freedom to change one’s religion or to practise no religion. Islam violates both by its religious law which forbids all criticism or questioning of EVERYTHING Islamic (Mohammed, sharia, the Quran, the dark deeds of Muslim history), punishing same by death; and also by forbidding apostasy and punishing it by death – not in some dim dark past, but here and now.
These features of Islamic teaching and practice are cold, ugly facts, demonstrated over and over in recent history and throughout time. The facts must be shouted from the rooftops.
Good luck!
(2)
Protest anyway. Always bring multiple video cameras and have confederates document the whole thing from a place where the police can not confiscate the video. Post the video as quickly as possible.
Be very polite to the police, but don’t stop your protest. Have one leader and have only them talk to the police. Tell the police everything you are going to do, even if it is to disobey them. The police are the good guys and will generally act civilly is you don’t surprise them. Don’t block traffic or the sidewalk or anything like that. Be very civil but don’t respect the injunction not to protest.
The Anti-Sharia Movement must learn from the ecology fight and start staging interesting and peaceful actions. Someone should unfurl a banner like they did in China.
All it takes to lose freedoms is not to fight for them. I fear Europe will die with a whimper unless courageous people step up to the plate.
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nak said
People forgot that muslims fighted beside belgian, french and italians against nazism.
You really have a short memory. Ask your government to stop support the current dictators in muslims countries and you will see that most muslims will go back to their countries. I will be the first one. Algeria had made 34 billions dollar of revenue with petrol, but its people are poor. Same for the other countries. While Jewish were killed in Europe, they were living in peace in muslim countries.
Azion said
I’m Belgian and I’m ashamed by this decision ! I really wonder who’s rulling this country now ? We or a minority of muslim thugs ?
I give you the e-mail of Freddy Thielemans, the man who banned the demonstration so you can told him what you think about his decision: kabinet.Bgm.Thielemans@brucity.be
TH said
Here is the email address of this able minded mayor of Europes capital in spe who is not able to guarantee a safe demonstration of European taxpayers:
Kabinet.Bgm.Thielemans@brucity.be
He might be happy to get some more comments…
Theo said
I do not agree with this demonstration, which I think is more based upon fear than reality. I had therefore decided not to attend.
I do, however, so strongly oppose the decision of mayor Thielemans not to allow the demonstration to continue, that I will be going to Bruxelles on the 11th of September, after all. Not to make a statement against islamisation, but for the salvation of our rights, such as our right to demonstrate.
Should people like Thielemans get their way, islamisation is the least of our worries.
Henrik Ræder Clausen said
“People forgot that muslims fighted beside belgian, french and italians against nazism.”
I call crap:
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_SS_Mountain_Division_Handschar
In particular the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was eager to help Hitler exterminate the Jewish population in the Balkans
V12 said
If we are strong, they will be weak
If we are weak, they will be strong
Let’s demonstrate to show them we are strong!
Henrik Ræder Clausen said
How about a postal address for Thielemans? I might prefer to send him a paper letter.
Sagunto said
I hope you don’t mind sitemaster, that I repeat my suggestion to all: come together in Brussels (or should I say: ‘el Bruss’, city of grand mufi Thielemans) and bring empty, white banners et cetera without txt.
- This will send at once thé most powerful message we could ever hope to deliver: (self)censorship rules when islam is concerned.
- Furthermore, it will make the authorities extremely uneasy b’cause – though we send a clear message, they’ll find it hard to arrest anyone because of the lack of visible slogans.
In short: A silent, txt-less march in Brussels with empty banners/plates by thousands of EU citizens. A dignified and i.m.o most effective unified response to censorship.
Kind regards from Amsterdam,
Sag.
[alternative idea would allow some banners to carry the txt: "This banner could have x-pressed your freedom of speech"]
Monique said
@Henrik: Yeah, that’s right! You mean Amin Al Husseini
check this site: http://www.tellchildrenthetruth.com
Barnsley said
I will attend this rally regardless of their decisions; it is our one and only opportunity to stand together against the real threat that Europe faces. I find it hard to believe that they can ignore history and continue to allow the spread of this vile violent religion. Maybe with us attending without ‘permission’ we will get better coverage from the mainstream media.
tarnpatriot@hotmail.co.uk
Henrik Ræder Clausen said
I think blank banners is a cool idea.
Then flyers to politely explain the situation, that the mayor is violating the constitution, and that we want back our freedom of assembly and freedom of expression.
And perhaps note that the state has an obligation to protect peaceful demonstrators from violent thugs who seek to intimidate those who have a different opinion than themselves…
circe said
the email address of Freddy Thielemans, maire of Brussels:
Kabinet.Bgm.Thielemans@brucity.be
David said
I have a suggestion, there is another European Parliament in Strasbourg, how about asking for permission to demonstrate there?
Manelis said
I certainly will make an effort to be there whatever happens!!!
Manelis, Athens, Greece
Human said
Don’t talk about subjects you don’t know !!!
Did you read Kuran-ı Kerim which includes the sentences of Allah ?
What does it say?
First read, then talk, please….
nak said
2 Henrik: there are also counter examples, what about Vichy regime. You know we can debate hours and hours…
Your are using the argument of freedom of speech. Let me laugh a little bit. This argument is only used against islam. what about the the King and Queen of spain that they have censored sexual caricatur about thei Prince son. What about Sarkozy preventing an article regarding his spouse.
Like I told you before. STOP SUPPORTING THE DICTATORS IN MUSLIMS COUNTRIES AND YOU WILL HAVE ALL MUSLIMS GOING BACK TO THEIR COUNTRIES
Flemish said
Hello everyone,
As a Flemish inhabitant of Antwerp i fully support your cause. The big cities in Belgium and their suburbs are rapidly becoming arab territory. The original Belgian population are driven out because of the islamist terror. Just some examples of the Belgian situation, in particularly in my home town of Antwerp :
- It is a common prass titme in Antwerp for moroccan teenagers ttto harass and bully flemish girls. They don’t wear the hijab, and this makes them ‘whores and sluts’ for these moroccans and other arab youth. Sometimes this stays verbal, but there have been cases that it amounts to violence or even group rape. My own Flemish grilfriend doesn’t even dare to take a tram or bus any more. Some arab youth also make a habit of terrorising and robbing people on public transport.
- Last year a man who tried to talk to one of these groups of arabs, to simply tell them to calm down, got beaten to death (!) The moroccan youth that did this are all free now. They invoked that the man was making racist comments (!)
- When Flemish people stand up to this, they get beaten up and called racists, with the risk of having a law suit for discrimation filed against them by one of the many islamist organisations.
- Three moroccans held in oostende a short while ago for gang-raping a girl, defended themselves by saying it was ok, because she was not a believer.
- There is a real problem with so called loverboys. Arab youth seduc flemish girls, forcing them in prostitution to make money. It’s ok, they are non believers.
- If you act against this muslim domination, or even speak out against it, you are a racist, you risk legal persecution, the loss of your job, getting thrown out of the workers Union… etc.. where is the freedom of speech in this? If you risk to defend yourself physically from a beating, you will go to jail as a dangerously agressive racist.
- Music concerts in Antwerp’s Borgerhout districts are being threatened : fanatic salafist muslim post themselves near the entrance and prohibit people (even belgians) from entering, saying that music is haram. Police doens’t intervene.
- In the same Borgerhout district shops and snack bar owners are threatened by salafist muslims not to sell alcohol. It’s haram. The police say they can prove nothing.
- The majority of arab youth between 18 and 30 are on wellfare, thus draining our social security system.
- The majority of our social housing units are allocated to immigrants of north african and arab descent, thus indigenous people move out.
- The majority of prisoners in our jails is of north african descend.
- Some third generation arab immigrants, whose parents, and who themselves are born here, don’t speak any of our three national languages (Flemish, French or german) Arab is the language of Allah.
- Media and newspapers are discouraged by the governements to report on incidents involving arabs. You almost never hear reports on this on public tv.
- The public school system in Antwerp was planning to serve only halal student’s meals, also those served for Belgians. This comes in responce to complaints of some mulsim organisations. here we have a prime example of islam taking over.
- There has been some really serious thought about teaching arab as a third language in Antwerp schools. Luckily it didn’t come this far.
- In swimming pools in Antwerp there are women’s and men’s only swimming hours, this in responce to somplaints of muslim organisations. This goes against a fundamental human right : the equality of men and women.
- In public swimming pools all around Flanders arab youth are terrorising the swimmers, molesting girls, and beating up anyone who isn’t with them. Although some towns try to act, their hands are tied, They don’t want to be racists.
- At the height of the cartoon protests, arab youth destroyed several cars and shops in the historical centre, noone has been arrested or brought up for charges.
- Crime rates are altered by politicians to statictically minmize the involvement of arabs in crime. It is legally not allowed to categrorise crime, work rates, or schooling rates by nationality or origin. those figures would be too disturbing.
These are just examples, the list goes on and on…
Having said this, i didn’t expect anything else than a ban from the socialist mayor of Brussels. I think if the march would take place here in Antwerp, or in any other Belgian city, it would be banned too. It’s not more than logical that the left wing tries to ban the demonstration. Here are the reasons for this.
- The Belgian left wing socialist parties (SPa and PS), the green parties (Groen! and Ecolo, and the left wing of the christan democrats (CD&V and CdH) and the left wing of the liberals (MR and VLD), count on the large muslim minority in the big cities (Antwerp,Mechelen Ghent, Brussels, Liege and Charleroi) for votes. Especially in the light of the rise of the Vlaams Belang national party in the Flemish speaking part of Belgium. That’s also the reason they changed nationality laws to allow anyone who lives here for three years to get Belgian citizenship. They also passed a bill allowing non eu citizens to vote. The socialists will stop at nothing to prevent anyone offending their prized electorate. De facto this amounts to supporting the islamisation, in spite of the interest of Belgian people.
- Smart politicians have a long term vision. They know that the demographics among arabs are radically different then those among Belgians. Arabs make more children. This means a growing electorate in the future if they treat them nice now. This demographic evolution is in my eyes the biggest threat of all. An Algerian president said once that they would conquer Europe from the womb of their women. He was right. It’s happening all around us.
- The same political parties defend their islam- kuddling policy with a thin layer of utopian diversity crap and calls for multiculturalism. Because fewer and fewer people believe in this crap, they inforce it : anyone who speaks out aginst islamisation is branded a racist and risks a law suit.
- There is something to say about the argument that security cannot be ensured. This is true. Police is too afraid to act, they don’t want to be branded racists, or risk legal persecution for this. Furthermore, our governement is terrified of a violent explosion among arab youth. We already saw many smaal scale exaples of this in Antwerp and Brussels, and off course we have the French example. It’s rather simple : As soon as they feel threatened, the arabs come out in force, destroying everything in reach. Viewing the density of our population and the proximity of our big cities, a row in Brussels would spread rapidly to Antwerp, Mechelen, Liege, Charleroi and other cities. The arabs are well connected everywhere and all know eachother. The police is powerless against them for reasons mentioned above.
- Every politician in Belgian is afraid of Vlaams belang nationalist party. they have an electorate of + 1 million in the Flemish speaking part. It is the only political party in the countrty with a tough stance on islam an immigration. Although the sioe is non-political, the left wing fears the demnonstration, because it would show how many people support a tough position against islam, and thus, Vlaams Belang. Popping the soap bullbe of multiculturalism.
I would like to close this post by replying anyone who calls us nazi’s. You are just stupid and ignorant! read your history! In the second World war the Nazi’s were intent on eliminating the jews. For this reason they (and especially the SS) had good connections with arab clergy and politicians at the time. Many examples are known where nazi forces where welcomed in North african cities during the desert wars. The muslim elite welcomed a european allie against the jews, while the nazis loved the ideas about arabs on jews. There was, so to say, a common interest.
If you fight against islamisation, you fight for the christian-judeac basis of our society, and thus also against national socialism.
I prefer to stay anonymous for fear of loosing my job, my syndicate card, my health insurance, or being prosecuted legally.
Keep the fight going!
A Concerned Flemish citizen
OmaMeume said
This is a adress of a independent party in UK. Gerard Batten represents people like us in the EU-parliament. Recently he demonstrated in Brüssel with a bulldozer (the bulldozer pushed our rights away) for free speach.
UKIP.Home@gmail.com
OmaMeume said
Here is the Home-Page of Gerard Batten:
http://e-ukip-home.blogspot.com/2007/01/gerard-batten-mep-ignorant-islamaphobe.html
Nico (Brussels) said
Adres of the mufti for those wo want to write a letter:
in flemish :
Ter attentie van burgemeester Freddy Thielemans
Stadhuis
Grote Markt 1
1000 Brussel
In Frensh:
A l’ attention de Bourgemaitre Freddy Thielemans
Maison communale
Grand-Place 1
1000 Bruxelles
In English
to the attention of mayor Freddy Thielemans
Cityhall
Grand Place 1
1000 Brussles
Henrik Ræder Clausen said
“Your are using the argument of freedom of speech. Let me laugh a little bit. This argument is only used against islam. ”
Yes. Because only Islam has a systematic record of intimidation, threats and violence against those talking against it, rather than rational argument. I *know* that Islam is basically opposed to freedom of speach, and keep repeating this. That’s not good for freedom, society or science, and a lot of other things.
If a non-totalitarian version of Islam can be shown to exist, it is about time for it to show up. So far I see only ‘moderate’ (non-violent antidemocratic) and ‘radical’ (violent antidemocratic) implementations of Islam in politics. Where are the genuinely democratically minded Muslims?
Flemish said
Let’s flood the grand-mullah with e-mails!
Kabinet.Bgm.Thielemans@brucity.be
Flemish said
@henrik raeder clausen :
I can completely agree with you.
A basic condition to even talk about democracy is the strict separation of church and state. In Europe this was established gradually throughout the late middle ages and the renaissance, to finalise in the philospophy of the enlightement.
These are all stages that islam has never gone through. They emerged, without much change, out of the middle ages in our midst. Every form of islam, be it moderate, or be it radical (to use your categarisation) is in fact anti democratic, because it doesn’t recognise this separation, which is on of the fundaments for democracy.
The notion democratic islam is a contradictio in terminis.
Greetz from Flanders
Cassandra said
Now what?
http://millennium-notes.blogspot.com/2007/08/excitement-of-silly-season-brussels.html
CM said
It’s the job of state authorities to guarantee public safety by using the police and, if necessary, the armed forces, to enforce it through force. The state and not citizens has monopoly over force, according to classical and Christian western political theory.
However in these days of the Human Rights Act and secularism, this function of the state is being dangerously weakened.
If European states will not permit peaceful non-violent demonstration against Islamisation and shariah law, there are two courses open: 1) acknowledge that we live under tyrannical governments and endure this as our just punishment for having done little or nothing in the past to remedy this long-term problem, or 2)organise a revolution. Or perhaps a third option arises, peaceful non-violent resistance, knowing that we will be persecuted, imprisoned unjustly, etc.
Flanders Fields said
I like the blank flag idea, also. Flemish, you did a great job on your post and anyone who pays attention to what is happening know that what you say is true.
Any valid objections would have been issued previous to a license being granted. City politics are of concern to an Europe wide movement, but only to the extent that they are city politics.
This movement is one by the citizens of Europe. The citizens are reasonable and rational. They know that there will be those on a local level who resist and attempt to disrupt the movement. It is to be expected.
The important thing is that we should not be dissuaded from our goal of expressing our feelings and our thoughts about the issue of Islamisation. We must continue with a clear vision and confront obstacles set in our path. Truth and reason combined with determination will prevail.
joeblough said
It’s called cowardice.
joeblough said
Just in case anyone misunderstands, Freddy Thielemans said it himself “he cannot guarantee public safety and that he won’t disturb the Islamic section of the population in Brussels“.
He is simply afraid of the mohammedans and their violence.
nak said
Your are talking about democraty. Is the united stated based on democraty? they killed and ejected the Indians, they put them in reserve. And the Australia, same… they killed many Arborigen. Is it the democraty that your proud of? Please mention in the history one fact where muslim killed millions of people.
nak said
Come on guys. The democraty is the power of the people. The right to choose the goverment. This has nothing to do with the seperation of the state and church. This is the laicity. Mention one muslim country where the people have been able to elect the governement (without the fraud of the governement)
simplet said
We have been betray by our own government. Our children’s freedom depend on this. I will fight to the end of the earth to win back future generation freedom.
To above secular Muslim. There is no such thing as “secular Muslim”, Muslim is Muslim, secular is secular. As we alway say you either with us or against us. No middle ground trick from you Muslim anymore. You Muslim can use all kind of term Moderate/secular/whatever, in the end you are Muslim and we are non-Muslim. GET IT!
Even we live today, tomorrow we will not live since Islam will domination over us.
I’m not scare of death any more since Islam is taking over. Fight may live, do-nothing will surely die.
Fight to death!
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Matamoros said
CM said:
“Or perhaps a third option arises, peaceful non-violent resistance, knowing that we will be persecuted, imprisoned unjustly, etc.”
Or perhaps the third option is this – do not pay your taxes! Taxes from non-public sector workers across the EU fund these fatcat politicians and their petty empires, AND pay the welfare for their Muslim client voters who keep them in power.
Sure, they can jail 300 people for not paying their taxes; 3,000; maybe even 30,000. But 300,000? 3 million? 30 million? These bureaucrats all across the continent are planning the destruction of our homelands, and WE ARE PAYING FOR IT! If we do not act soon it will be too late.
Henrik Ræder Clausen said
“Please mention in the history one fact where muslim killed millions of people.”
Oh? That should not be particular difficult:
“In Africa over 120 million Christians and animists have died over the last 1400 years of jihad.”
“Around 60 million Christians were slaughtered during the jihadic conquest.”
“Half of the glorious Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus killed.”
“Jihad destroyed all of Buddhism along the silk route. About 10 million Buddhists died.”
“Jihad destroyed a Christian Middle East and a Christian North Africa. Soon it was the fate of the Persian Zoroastrian and the Hindu to be the victims of jihad. The history of political Islam is the destruction of Christianity in the Middle East, Egypt, Turkey and North Africa. Half of Christianity was lost.”
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={6AA49466-2575-491F-B712-CEA90FCCCD0D}
simplet said
[quote]
# nak Says:
August 10th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
Your are talking about democraty. Is the united stated based on democraty? they killed and ejected the Indians, they put them in reserve. And the Australia, same… they killed many Arborigen. Is it the democraty that your proud of? Please mention in the history one fact where muslim killed millions of people.
[/quote]
1) Don’t try to give us any history. The west has give all native the freedom of criticize western in any way they want to.
2) When these innocent native got kill there was not much democracy back then, that is why they get kill.
3) You Muslim just go out rage on any criticism and your warlord Muhammad dirty history. You Muslim are no more than refugee. Coming to the west demand this & that. Who do you think you are?
4) The world wants freedom not ideology-dictatorship, liberty not the Shari-Law, democracy not Islamisation.
We can’t accept another ideology-dictatorship as Islam!
Fight for freedom I will!
I don’t live in Europe, I will fight in my home town! Good luck guy’s!
Be careful of any Muslim suicide bombers!
john mcdonald said
“He is simply afraid of the mohammedans and their violence.”
its more than that they are his power base – the socialists have intentionally flooded old Europe with muhamodans – the deal – they get their votes and the mohamadans get Free welfare cheques – its a devils contract and we – the native people of Europe are the fall guys – What remains to be seen is if the Europeans have the stomach for a fight – all they need do is flex their united muscles and these little corrupt Politicians would tremble and fall – or are we so lethargic as to deserve what is coming to Europe – we shall see !!
nordest said
I’m deeply impressed with post n° 59 by Flemish: my God what the Hell is going on in Antwerp?!?
You should print papers about this horrible situations and have them distributed at the corner of the streets all over Europe… I’m speechless.
I’m afraid.
@Nak: darling please if you don’t like Western Civilizations just take a plain and leave, ok???
If you think we’re bloody devils just go away and flourish in one of the World’s marvellous and pacific Muslim Countries, ok???
Will you please follow my advice?
And please will you shut up and go back to school before talking about “Muslims fighting beside Italians against Fascism” ’cause I’m Italian and I’m not a teenager so what the f**k are you talking about????
Islam was fighting against DEMOCRACY beside Mussolini and Hitler, don’t you know??
And today Islamism (not Islam, I don’t care about religions as long as they don’t bother me)is the proud son of Hitler’s project to destroy Jewish communities!
nak said
That’s indeed a good website: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={6AA49466-2575-491F-B712-CEA90FCCCD0D}
The same philosophy as this one.
In any case, I would like to thank you for all these advertising your are making to islam. since 11/9 a lot of people converted to islam. they did not have any clue and started to read books.
Please continue… Thanks
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Michael said
Dear all the committed,
we’re indeed facing the biggest challenge or lets say the coming generation will really face it. But we can make a start to counteract. The issue is so complex and going to a demonstration and showing our anger about islamification is something I would join, if I wouldn’t live in THailand but! But I started thinking, what will be the result if we’re there to condemn all muslims! It’s difficult, unfair and dangerous to so.
I’m sitting between to convictions, one is to fight, to go on full confrontation without sparing any muslim, which was easy for me considering the amount of hate that has accumulated against them. On the other side, there’re those muslims who I’ve met and friends who are
progressive, open, and beautiful people. Losing those people would be a price we can’t afford to pay if we don’t want to have world war 3 at our house doors.
Our societies are founded one important thing, that’s TRUST, we trust the actually anybody, we know that Japanese aren’t going to chop our heads off with a Samurai sword, we know that Russian won’t send us to the Gulak, we trust the Chinese, the Africans because we’re not racists, because our society is based on tolerance, Christian believe, education, secular law and again most importantly trust.
Arab and other Islamic intellectuals are instilling successfully a hatred into the minds of young, mostly uneducated, discontent, aggressive (and at times also “well-off”) Muslims to distroy our very fundament: TRUST. If they are to succeed in doing so we’re going to have problem which outcome is unforeseeable but one thing for sure it will be very very bad.
Those Islamist Fascist don’t need to send an army (which they don’t have) they know how to attack us, they attack us through ideas, through a life choice the blinds people for creation and hope but nurtures hate and destruction and thus destroys trust in our societies so that they won’t function and gives the Muslims only the option they have available and this is the option this Islamist ideology offers them.
It is so humiliating for them since this fact is visible to the rest of the world through fibre optic cables, satellite TV and what so ever. The Islamic world (which are so pride or were so pride and pretend to still be pride) is openly humiliated since everyone knows how backward they are in real time 24/7.
I can only repeat myself the problems are going to be colossal if they are not addressed quick and effectively. Those Islamists – Leninists – fascists call them whatever you want (who want to create a great Islamic empire which should be ruled by the perfect religion, hence not the race or society well it will automatically also the perfect society)
Those people who are driven by this imagination and should not be underestimated by some arrogant perceptions that the West is superior (In fact we’re in a relative decline compared to others) coz they know all the tools and they are adept in using them to bring this idea to the minds of so many more Muslims all over the world.
More over they have the networks, the committed foot soldiers (willing to give their lives) and the money to do that in such an effective and successful way while our politicians are sitting on their asses not daring to face this development and in many cases consequently paving the way for their success – step by step.
Besides our politicians there are those Muslims in the world who need to take responsibility but are too afraid, too busy or too isolated to have a tangible effect in the fight of the soul of Islam. Instead the extremists are in the offense, they’re spreading, they are active with every letter I type, while we’re thinking what to write on our cards that we’re presenting on our demonstration.
How can we and them solve their and our crises? For their backwardness they simply don’t have an answer or solution. The thing is they can’t keep pace with the rest of the world, because they don’t want to change in order to keep up with the world. Their believe system forbids change, the quran is holy it’s scripts are unchangable their life is defined after just one single book : Quran.
In my view there are 3 groups of Muslims. one is a group that wants to grasp the chances our civilisation and globalisation in general offers them, to improve the their livings many of them do so successfully. Second are the ones whose imagination is obsessed with the destruction of our civilization. It’s an imagination of destruction to regain dignity, not dignity through economic or academic success. Their execution of the will of god that is instilled by those Islamists masterminds gives them the dignity the only option and sense in life.
And that is the most dangerous the world can face. We can change laws, and deport, put to jail but haven’t done anything about their imagination. The third group is just a passive mass who either tries to get by in life, or hasn’t decided yet wether to join group 2 in this is the crucial group therefore we have act smart to have an effect on the outcome of group 2 a better way than the Islamists.
Therefore I believe the costs for victory would be too high to go on full confrontation with the whole muslim world, because this will fuel only the imaginations of destructions, what is needed is a counter ideology that feed the imaginations of young people with hope and creation, exchange, communication and collaboration. For that purpose it wouldn’t be wise to put them all in one box, because we need the help of those progressive muslims, to stave off the worst ideology since the nazis. We are to create a counter ideology and alternative but how?
From our side I can identify only three groups in the media. One hates everything that’s about Islam (I once belonged to that one) the other is so indifferent and busy living a life of consumption and fun. The other is the one who try hard to please the Muslim hardliners in the hope to integrate them but that’s not real integration but it shows weakness and boosts only the confidence of the extremists. I miss the 4th group who trys to collaborate with (even it’s a minority of Muslims) like-minded muslims to work out a way to stem the ever widening gap between us and them.
The demonstration should be used to pin-point the problematic of coexistence and give a message to intellectual, good hearted and secular muslims to help to get rid of Islamic fascism. For the broad mass of passive muslims who try to get by in our societies one of the messages should that there’s a better alternative than destruction and to the hardliner it should be clear if you think you can fuck with us… than it’s time that we gonna get organised and fuck back! Since this is still my home! So Fight, communicate, collaborate, do intellectual work, build bridges, do mass communication, do everything to bring reason back to people, to bring prosperity to every side, by all means. Like them we have to resort to all means, not merely fighting or violence we’re not as foolish as Mr. Bush. So rethink the demonstration, rethink the strategt and lets collaborate!
Fuck Bush – Fuck Bin-laden
Michael
Lowax said
This may sound a bit unconsiderate, but the only way to stop the Islam is by taking actions ourselves.
If we leave it up to the politicians, we’ll be fucked in no time.
They don’t care about the problem and why should they? They live in their big expensive houses in residential neighbourhoods, where you don’t see any muslims.
I think we really need to start fighting this Islam-threat side by side, and we need to let loose of our Belgian way in which we each only care for ourselves and not for our fellow Belgians.
How many stories have we all heard about a
Michael said
The Antwerpen story…
yeah that’s shocking and more than scary!
things like that are going on in Hollamd, Scandinavian countries, big urban areas in Germany and many places more… My previous post hasn’t addressed the problem with Arab thugs in our streets and their gang like behaviour. I focused on the indoctrination of Muslims (mainly through internet) who are to become real killers in the name of Allah, not the testosterone loaden Arab monkeys.
Well, I can just appeal (while going the collaboration track with concerned muslims)to set up cells and networks to keep Islamists organizations and their foot soldiers in check. It’s so important that we’re going to start networking and that it is done professionally and put pressure on politics as long as we can. The counter ideology idea cannot be done through direct contact with these individuals since they are not receptive for that. It’s tricky, it’s hard work but we need to collaborate, setting up organizations and grow and grow to build a counter pole regardless of racists stigmatisation or what so ever. And with networking I mean to network not only within Belgium but as far as we can find like minded people and get people over for our cause. Let’s start now. Long live our native countries.
Lowax said
This may sound a bit unconsiderate, but the only way to stop the Islam is by taking actions ourselves.
If we leave it up to the politicians, we’ll be fucked in no time.
They don’t care about the problem and why should they? They live in their big expensive houses in residential neighbourhoods, where you don’t see any muslims.
I think we really need to start fighting this Islam-threat side by side, and we need to let loose of our Belgian way in which we each only care for ourselves and not for our fellow Belgians.
How many stories have we all heard about a group of Muslim teenagers who harras some guy or girl who’s alone?
I say, let’s start doing that too. If you see a Muslim, kick his ass into the ground. Kill him if necessary, the chance you get caught is very small. The day a group of Muslims call my girlfriend or mother a whore, will be the day I get out my guns and shoot some of those fuckers. I hope the Belgian mentality will change soon, because right now, most part of this country are a bunch of cowards who’d rather shut their eyes than help a fellow Belgian in trouble.
It is very obvious to me that the Islam is trying to take over our precious country, and if we just let them, we just might deserve it. This might all sound like a heap of “redneck”-stuff to you all, but think about it for a minute and you also will come to the conclusion that I’m right. What we need is a right-sided underground movement that will start bombing their temples, just as they do. I can’t tell you guys what to do, I only know what me and my friends would do if we ever got in trouble with that filthy scum, and it isn’t pretty. I’m gonna stop typing now, alltough I could go on like this all night long.
I’m gonna end my comment by this: I wasn’t born a racist, I have nothing against other cultures, but the Arabs are a cancer on our dear mMother Earth which we need to stop before they take over the entire freaking planet. And to the mayor of Brussels I’d just like to say: “Really think you can stop us on September 11th? Really think that the police (who hate the muslims themself) will stop us?” I hope I never cross you on the streets without your 4 bodyguards, because…
Billy said
Many in America stand behind you. Islam must be stopped!!!!
Flemish said
My personal word to Nak
First of all, i’m not sure if i want to spoil any words on you.. but I can’t help myself
quote “Please mention in the history one fact where muslim killed millions of people.” unquote
I’ll elaborate on the list that Henrik posted
- Armenia : 1.6 million to two, maybe three millions (!) Christian Armenians slaughtered by Turkish Islam forces in the beginning of the century. This is still denied by Turkey by the way, but recognised by historians all over the world.
- I have made the link in post 59 : direct collaboration between muslims and nazi’s. 6 million victims, although off course, the nazis were the main culprits.
- Present day Darfur : tens, or hundreds of thousands of people displaced, in the end maybe millions killed by so called ‘Janjaweeed’ militia… who are arab and thus muslim.
- Present day South East Asia : civil war on many islands, muslim militia fighting to impose sharia : chekc it out on any newssite, (besides al jazeera) .
- Present day New York. 3000 Families still recovering of the lost of their loved ones.
- Present day London, same situation, remember 7/7
- Present day Madrid : same situation
Not to forget our brave troops in Afghanistan and Iraq… i’m not saying they shoudl be there at all, that’s another discussion…
Well Nack, i hope you can count, how many millions do we have yet? Including the post of Henrik? I even don’t mention the historical and cultural treasures that have been destroyed all around the world in the name of your religion.
Nak, do you really think you can make a point? I have read Quran, I have read Thora, The bible, both old and new testament. Heck, i have even read the Nag Hammadi scrolls, the Indian Vedda’s and translations of the Sumerian clay tablets about the Tales of Origin. Your Quaran is nothing more than just another bad translation of way older books, used by someone (Mohammed, his ascendents, and every Iman and Mullah today, Osama, iran Mullahs…) for his own, political and personal glory and power. You believe in a fairytale…. You are the sheep not us.. We are free of mind, and we’ll fight to keep you taking away this freedom.
Nak, islam is a young religion, it originated well after Christianity and Judaism. The only reason that Islam spread so fast is through violence and terror. Mohammed himself, “praise his name”, was a warlod, who conquered many territories. His followers after him, all warlords, did nothing but the same. Islam is based on conquest, on violence, rape and pillage, not on peace. Otherwise it woulden’t be the religion that it is today. It would have just been one camel salesman and his story, forgotten in the mist of time.
Mohammed himself is the one that gave the order to spread the faith by the sword.
Nak, these are historical facts, you cannot denie them, you may not find them in your Quran, but they are there, written in time.
Nak, islam is not a peacefull religion, it has never been and it will never be, it’s driven by conquest, and the west, the “big satan” is the next target. Now it’s not a war with weapons, at least not all of the time, you’ll win it by demographics.. infiltrating the continent, reproducing, and eventually outnumbering us.
Nak, you cannot expect that we don’t react. Your faith declares holy war on the western world. And you blame us for reacting?
I’m sorry, but that’s stupid. It’s stupid, but it’s a typical Muslim feature. You declare war, and once the first casualty falls on your side you start weeping (isreal vs Palestina, russia vs Chechnya, America vs Al Qaida). I am so sick of your crying veiled women in the streets screaming about someting that you provoced yourselves.
Having Imams declare holy war in mosks, but sending your children to do the battles (Palestinia).
Nak, Your religion has delcared war,well, if you declare war : face the consequences! Don’t cry like little girls, don’t play innocent or use cowards tactics, fight like the men you want us to believe you are. And bare in mind, the western military has the power to vaporise every last one of you back to the stone age.
Nak, if you shoot with a catapult at a sleeping tiger, don’t be shocked when it wakes up and eats you….
With contempt,
Flemish
Steve (Brussels) said
Nak: how ignorant can you be ! Muslims killed between 70 and 80 million Hindus who did not want to “submit” to their “peaceful religion”. Peanuts ?
kiwi said
After the 11/9 Bush decided to go crusade. Muslims are now the new enemy after the cold war. West needs a new enemy. Jewish are not the enemy of muslims but the sionism is the enemy. If I come and took your home, kill your children… What are you going to do?
Can someone briefly explain how islam is hurting you in your life? Let’s have an open discussion
I can easily explain it: We are being denied our civil rights because the mayor of Brussels is afraid of muslim rage. That sir, is the worst form of islamisation and we will not have it.
Sitemaster.
Belgian Student said
Reading this, I see the SIOE is nothing else but another racist organisation. The description of Antwerp on number 60 is as false as possible. I wonder why ‘Flemish’ didn’t mentionned the racist murders in the center of Antwerp, one year ago. Hans Van Themsche isn’t a muslum, at least I think so.
If the SIOE wants to keep some credibility, it shouldn’t accept the support of famous Flemish racists like the Vlaams Belang (VB) and Jurgen Verstrepen.
Once again, you are welcome to your opinion Sir. And in the interests of freedom of expression, which we have been wrongfully denied, we bring your comment here.
Sitemaster.
Henrik Ræder Clausen said
Framing all of Vlaams Belang for being ‘racist’ is just ugly. I have a very good friend in this party, and he checked *me* for extremist views a couple years ago. They’re fine, just happen to be genuinely concerned with what is happening to their country.
NY_realist said
I am an American, coming from a link to JihadWatch, who is very much concerned that what has happened in Europe does not happen here.
I am very confused by the comments here and even by the very existence of this site(SIOE).
Why do so many criticize your politicians for upholding EU treaties?
Do you not realize that asking your politicians to fight against Muslim immigration and integration is asking them to break the law and breach international contracts?
Why do so many Europeans not realize that they lost the war with the Arabs and that Islamisation was just one of the terms of your surrender?
Another term was the “right” of Muslims to settle in the conquered lands and establish Islamic institutions and traditions. This is the law, signed by Europe’s leaders.
Like in any war, does the victor not set the terms of how the newly conquered society shall function?
Don’t you understand that your protest to “Stop the Islamisation of Europe”, is subversive, even revolutionary? Your leaders signed away your right to protest against Islamisation long ago.
Please, don’t condemn me for being so pessimistic. Read this article and search for others to see where I’m coming from.
Dhimwit said
Easy to sit here in America and offer advice, but our turn is next. So I might as well say it now:
You must make your treasonous rotted governments fear you more than they do the muslims.
Santiago y cierra España ….Belgium…Holland….Germany….the UK….Scandanavia…..America?
Belgian Student said
Dear Hendrik Raeder Clausen,
maybe your ‘friend’ forgot to tell you his politcal party, called Vlaams Blok, was condamned by the Belgian justice for racism. They renamed the party, it’s called Vlaams Belang now, but didn’t change their opinions and have for the moment, again, problems with the Belgian justice for the same reasons. But I suppose this condamnation is due to the ‘left’ Belgian government, isn’t it?
Sagunto said
Dear NY_Realist,
I don’t blame you for sounding pessimistic ’cause for the most part I think you’re right, but for just a little-bittle moment I thought I smelled a hint of sarcasm from a distant air.
Sag.
Mother Ecclesiastica said
NY-Realist !?
…definitely not an American.
Kiwi !?
…definitely not a New Zealander.
****************
Nico (Brussels)…post number 63 @ 2.44pm.
Thanks for the addresses for hand-written letters to send through ordinary mail and post offices.
I will definitely be writing to Mayor Freddy Thielemans – from Australia.
Address of Brussel’s Mayor for those who want to write a letter:
in Flemish :
Ter attentie van burgemeester Freddy Thielemans
Stadhuis
Grote Markt 1
1000 Brussel
In Frensh:
A l’ attention de Bourgemaitre Freddy Thielemans
Maison communale
Grand-Place 1
1000 Bruxelles
In English
to the attention of mayor Freddy Thielemans
Cityhall
Grand Place 1
1000 Brussles
My prayers and gratitude are with you all!
Merde alors, mes amies!
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Muslim Guy said
Sitemaster and all SIOE folks,
I am a Muslim living in the US. Here people are not radical like in Europe. They study hard, go to universities, strive to be successful Americans. Why? They are not really disriminated against. As long as they are law abiding and hard working they are given chances. Maybe Europeans should ask themselves why they have a problem of integrating Muslims to their societies rather than trying to kick them out of Europe. Maybe Europe should recognize that it killed even the most integrated people, Jews of Europe, in millions. I see a deep fundamental racist history in SIOE’s attitude. With this kind of attitude you Europeans have the potential to destroy your own countries and people one more time. This is to me unbelievable. You know what Europe has a lot to learn from the US. I love this country and I am proud of the founders of the United States of America.
Stop trying to kick people out, try to embrace and educate them, make them one of you. In 2 generations you will kick ass. If you exclude, act racist and essentially treat Muslims as the new Jews you will lose.
This is so unfortunate.
No Oil for Pacifists said
I’ve compared liberty in US and EU law.
Antonio said
Nak, we should also speak about slavery: muslims (barbary pirates and turks) enslaved more than 2 million europeans and killed them of harsh treatment, the average lifetime of a slave was 7 years a bit more for the women as far as they can fit to be sex slaves. Muslims also enslaved more than 17 million african people. Much more than the 11 million slaves token to America (who were enslaved by muslim slave traders and sold to europeans). But there are now 70 million descendents of thes people taken to America and none in Arabia. How can this be? It is easy to understand, becausese of frequent castration and harsh treatment. There is a lack of 100 million black people in Arábia that must be endorsed on you. You see muslims have done it pretty well in hiding their atrocities (so well so well they even wrong themselves), but this time now has gone.
aigir said
Please come to Brussel, it must become a historical day in European history and a forbidden demonstration is more worth than a not forbiden one. Please, I urge you to come, I will and specially take a day off for this, let us pray, historical event. Please come, as Fleming I see my people is to weak to resist the islamic opressor, we ask our European neighbours to help us.
Monique said
@Aigir:
[quote]a forbidden demonstration is more worth than a not forbiden one [/quote]
I agree! We’ll come to Brussel, no matter what!
Clive Dodd said
# kiwi Says:
August 9th, 2007 at 9:57 pm
The trouble is kiwi you don’t speak for Islam, why don’t you go out and catch these people who you say are hijacking your so called religion? Moslem in-action against these people speaks volumes! you sir would be delighted if Europe became Islamic and went down the tubes just like all other Islamic Countries of the Middle East.
Just to be sure you understand…
YOU DON’T SPEAK FOR ISLAM.
Clive Dodd said
Muslim Guy Says:
August 10th, 2007 at 4:29 am
I can not believe what you guys are doing. It is something to fight against extremist Muslims, it is another thing to declare war on Islam.
1. Islam declared war on the Kuffar a long time ago and it’s never stopped.
Many Muslims like myself are secular or are people who have nothing to do with extremism.
2. Then you have not read and understood the Qu’ran, you are commanded to kill infidels and not to make friends with us. If you don’t agree with that then why don’t you leave Islam? if you do leave you had better be prepared to defend yourself because the penalty is death.
This kind of racism can only result in Europe and the world to go backwards.
3. Islam is not a race therefore we can’t be racist in defending our cultures can we! Islam is a political system and a phoney religion who’s chief villain is a pedophile and caravan thief.
I have said it before and I’ll say it again you sir do not speak for Islam. there is no one head of Islam that the world can negotiate with.
You sound like a reasonable guy with some intelligence in which case use it and leave Islam, set yourself free, you know in your heart it’s the right thing to do.
Flemish said
Belgian Student
A short reply to your criticism of my post.
First of all, can you exactly tell me what is not true in the post nr. 60? These are all facts that have been widely reported in the Belgian media. I don’t just make them up you know. Maybe you selectively view the news, and the evolutions in our society, and conveniently ignore things that don’t fit in to your multicultural world image?
Indeed, there has been a killing spree in the historical centre by a guy named Hans Van Temsche. He killed two people, a 4 year old Belgian girl (!) and a Nigerian au pair girl, furthermore he seriously wounded one Turkish woman.
This was one mentally ill and sick guy. There was a racist motive, i’m not denying this. But you cannot denie that it was just one, sick twisted individual that is responsible. I condemn what happened in the strongest terms.
Vlaams Blok, the predecessor of Vlaams Belang has been convicted for racism, it’s true. What you don’t mention is that this trial was not about racism at it’s core, it was about party politics. The centre against racism, a centre funded by the ruling parties, filed a complaint on the orders of these parties, and, with help of a judge with a party crd, this led to the conviction. Racism was not the core issue, it was an attempt of the ruling poarties to silence the oppostition. Also today you can see the term racism being used for al kinds of cases in which other motives lie at the core of the disupte. It’s become a convenient stick to hit the dog.
The sioe is not racist. We just want to act against the islamisation of europe, we don’t denie people free speech, like the politically correct elite in Belgium and many other countries does. We don’t incite hate. We just look at the evolutions in Europe with concern and exercise our right to express our opinions and fears about islamisation. A process that is undeniebly taking place.
We don’t denie any individual freedom of religion. Anyone can convert to islam, i’m not stopping htem. It’s their choice.
Ironically, the islamist are the ones denying people that freedom, forcibly converting people throughout their whole history, rapingg and killing the ones that refuse. We just point out the fact that islam as a system is a threat to, and directly opposed to the core values and human right on which western civilisation is buitt : democracy, seperation of church and state, feedom of speech, equalitly between men and women, and, indeed, freedom of religion.
If you don’t agree, you are free to say so. But leave us our right to express ourselves.
Greetz
Flemish
kiwi said
To Clive:
You are not able to answer a simple question:
How the islam and muslims in europe are hurting you in your daily life?
Mimi said
“I am a Muslim living in the US. Here people are not radical like in Europe.”
Oh, really? You haven’t been reading much about the Sharia republics of Michigan and Minnesota, I guess?
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Steve (Brussels) said
Belgian student: Since when is Muslim a Race ? Islam is nothing else than a bloodthirsty ideology that seeks world domination. What does race have to do with race ?
Henrik Ræder Clausen said
Dear Belgian Student,
I know that it is very convenient to frame your political opponents as ‘racists’, ‘inferior’, ‘inhuman’ and the like. But that’s not a very good style. It’s better to argue on the virtue of various political cases than to use the legal system to smear your opponents.
Yes, I know about the history of Vlaams Belang. I think taking on such a large party, representing a large section of the Belgians, by the justice system instead of by argument, is a major flaw and should not have taken place. Convince the electorate that there’s something wrong with their politics, make them vote for someone else, or just leave the ‘other’ part of your population to choose whom they think represent their opinions best.
It is no conincidence that I told that *I* was the one being checked for ‘extremism’. They don’t want that kind of people along.
Henrik Ræder Clausen said
Dear Muslim Guy
It is very impolite, yet cunning, of you to try to frame us Europeans for racism. Sorry, we don’t buy that. Take the Holocaust. We know about the Holocaust, and we remember, because it must never be repeated. We kicked out the Nazis with great frevor and at a very great expense. But we did so, and kicked that totalitarian ideology out of Europe.
Now, in the Middle East, Hitler’s shameful book still sells, as do the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” – a cheap, fraudelent smear against Jews. Holocaust, on the other hand, is not taught, because it might make the population less aggressive against the Jews.
Or take Turkey. They instigated the very first genocide in modern history, killing 1½ million Armenians and ripping up their ancient culture to its roots. The term ‘Genocide’ was invented to cover their deeds. Yet, still as of today, neither Turkey nor the Turks at large recognize this act as a crime, in stark contrast with the Holocaust, which by all but a handful of deniers is considered ‘Crime of the Century’ all over Europe.
Or look at Islam itself, which puts Jews and Christians as ‘dhimmis’, second-rate human beings, below the supreme ranks of Muslims, yet above the ‘untouchable’ polytheists. That’s a pretty supremacist thinking, but noone in the Islamic world seems interested in uprooting this ideology.
Please don’t frame us with racism. It won’t fly, and we won’t let the Islamic community use that to extort undue advantages.
SITA - ACTION said
Hey people, there’s an interesting action proposed :
In english :
http://halal-pig.blogspot.com/2007/08/sioe-demonstration-dhimmi-mayor-of.html
In french : http://grouiik-grouiik.blogspot.com/2007/08/grce-linterdiction-de-la-manifestation.html
I think it’s better than a petition
.
You can still complain and complain again, or you can ACT.
AndreasK said
Why are not the liberal Muslims protesting?? If they are silent than it is their fault that issues like this contribute to islamofobi. The “euromuslims” should be the first one´s in line for a march AGAINST fascism within the muslim communities. As long as the radical muslims are setting the agenda there will be increased intolerans against ALL muslims. STAND UP moderat muslims of Europe – Or keep silent and accept why europeeans are reacting against radical muslims.
500.000 muslims as new immigrants to Sweden in only 10 years and very few of them are voicing against fundametalism within teir own ranks. As long as they are silent I have islamofobi.
Andreas K – Stockholm
SocialistWhimps said
I have an idea. We should not protest the red Brussles mayor. We sholud all write to U.S. government and tell them about supression of free speech in Europe. We should ask G.W. Bush to intervene to EU-dictatorship and DEMAND THAT WE MAY HOLD REMMEBERANCE FOR 9/11!!!!!
Write to american president NOW!!!
Henrik Ræder Clausen said
In case anyone’s in the mood to wear T-shirts with Crusader symbols, here’s a nice selection:
http://contree.medievale.free.fr
Larry said
Yes to demonstration on the sept. 11th!
Michael R. said
Stop it now, while we still have time!
maxim said
Come together 9/11 in Brussels
passaggioalbosco said
Il Sindaco socialista di Bruxelles vuole vietare il ricordo dell’11/9. Per non offendere i maomettani
Bruxelles, capitale d’Eurabia.
Clive Dodd said
# kiwi Says:
August 11th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
quote
To Clive:
You are not able to answer a simple question:
How the islam and muslims in europe are hurting you in your daily life?
unquote
You have the gaul to ask me how I’ve been effected by Moslems in Europe!
52 UK civilians killed whilst going about their business in London, my brother,
his wife and children were in that very same area on that very day and could have been amongst the dead and injured. I could not get in touch with them to find out if they were dead, alive or injured and you ask me how I was affected.
Don’t go there buddy!
Belgian Student said
@ HR Clausen:
there were enough discussions with the leaders of the VB. It’s not at all a question a argueing because the reasons of the votes for the VB are too complicated. At this moment, the VB isn’t growing anymore. A real victory for democracy. Once again, if you say the VB doesn’t want extremists, you really need to inform. Start with these names: Bert Eriksson & Roeland Raes.
Belgian Student said
@ Steve:
‘Racism’ isn’t only a matter of races. Strange you don’t even know that. Or maybe not that strange on this website…
Belgian Student said
@ Flemish:
I’ll quote you between [], that’s the most easy way.
[First of all, can you exactly tell me what is not true in the post nr. 60? These are all facts that have been widely reported in the Belgian media. I don’t just make them up you know. Maybe you selectively view the news, and the evolutions in our society, and conveniently ignore things that don’t fit in to your multicultural world image?]
I live by myself in the centre of Antwerp, so I exactly know what I’m talking about. Your reply at nr.60 is completely wrong, Antwerp isn’t becoming an islamic city nor its suburbians. There isn’t any kind of ‘islamic terror’ in Antwerp. Your description of how young muslims behave with young girls is completely wrong. And so on, I’m not going to quote every point. In fact, al these fals facts you described in post nr.60 are nothing but racists lies. You can call them Urban Legends. I live in Antwerp since 5 years now and I never ever had any kind of trouble with muslims. I’m a white guy. I feel perfectly home and safe here and so are all my white mates. Even the ones who aren’t white.
[Indeed, there has been a killing spree in the historical centre by a guy named Hans Van Temsche. He killed two people, a 4 year old Belgian girl (!) and a Nigerian au pair girl, furthermore he seriously wounded one Turkish woman.
This was one mentally ill and sick guy. There was a racist motive, i’m not denying this. But you cannot denie that it was just one, sick twisted individual that is responsible. I condemn what happened in the strongest terms.]
You don’t seem to know the details of this story: Hans Van Temsche wans’t mentally ill at all, said the judges during the proces. There were other racists murders the last years in Antwerp and Belgium which were caused by mentally ill persons, but not the Van Themsche-case.
[Vlaams Blok, the predecessor of Vlaams Belang has been convicted for racism, it’s true. What you don’t mention is that this trial was not about racism at it’s core, it was about party politics. The centre against racism, a centre funded by the ruling parties, filed a complaint on the orders of these parties, and, with help of a judge with a party crd, this led to the conviction. Racism was not the core issue, it was an attempt of the ruling poarties to silence the oppostition. Also today you can see the term racism being used for al kinds of cases in which other motives lie at the core of the disupte. It’s become a convenient stick to hit the dog.]
Indeed the moment of this proces was completely wrong. It was done too late. The Vlaams Blok should have been forbidden when it started, in the late 70ies, and not at the moment it was growing. I rest my case anyway: racist organisations should be condamned by justice because racism is out of law. It means the proces of the Vlaams Blok was right.
[The sioe is not racist. We just want to act against the islamisation of europe, we don’t denie people free speech, like the politically correct elite in Belgium and many other countries does. We don’t incite hate. We just look at the evolutions in Europe with concern and exercise our right to express our opinions and fears about islamisation. A process that is undeniebly taking place.]
You don’t denie people free of speech but you denie people free of religion. Is that better? Is that democratic?
[We don’t denie any individual freedom of religion. Anyone can convert to islam, i’m not stopping htem. It’s their choice.
Ironically, the islamist are the ones denying people that freedom, forcibly converting people throughout their whole history, rapingg and killing the ones that refuse. We just point out the fact that islam as a system is a threat to, and directly opposed to the core values and human right on which western civilisation is buitt : democracy, seperation of church and state, feedom of speech, equalitly between men and women, and, indeed, freedom of religion.]
This is really hypocrite: you don’t denie religion but you don’t accept muslims in Europe. A real contradiction.
‘The islamist’ you describe doesn’t exist anymore, it’s someone who lived 1000 years ago. Just like christians raped and killed to convert people, muslims did. But that is history now. Only a very few extremists want to do that again. 99% of the muslims rejects this horrible behaviours and only want peace.
[If you don’t agree, you are free to say so. But leave us our right to express ourselves.]
Say whatever you want on the internet but don’t express yourself by forbidden demonstrations in my country.
Michael said
Muslim Guy from the States
I understand you, but the problem is it’s harder than you think to get a connection to secular muslims. Either they don’t bother, or in the end they rather tend to support and defend their kin than helping non muslims dealing with extremists. It’s sad but Islam is devisive they are too side I believe and know that there’s a good side of Islam, too many muslim people I’ve come across who I get along with since they don’t put religion over human relationship, piece and development. I do not want to support blunt racists who hop on the Anti Islamic train but are in fact against foreigners in general. My mom is Thai my dad German I feel rather a global citizen but I’m grave concerned about the developments in Europe and there’s even here in Thailand enough too read about and there’s a similar pattern all over Asia, the split of Islam in two the progressive and the backwarded latter one is the most intimidating, dangerous, expanding and active. Too fight agaist them I know of the necessity of embracing Muslims. I don’t embrace Muslims just because we need support in our fight but because I embrace everyone who’s got the right attitude. And the blunt and brainless racists and those Islamic zealots have to be fought. And my fight will go through embracing, supporting but also through relentless fighting. It’s time for a movement who does not simply team up with any neo nazi but for a new breed who defend our societies against any threat and there’s no doubt about the new threat in our mids.
kiwi said
To Clive:
I am sorry for your brother. Don’t mess islam and fanatic. Demonstrate agianst the extremist
kiwi said
To Clive:
Do you know of many iraqui child died during the embargo from 1991? How many brother they lost? Why do you punish people instead of punishing the dictators. Stop supporting the dictators. This is what you need to ask to the government
Is a life of an iraqui is less important than a west people?
Henrik Ræder Clausen said
“You have the gaul to ask me how I’ve been effected by Moslems in Europe!”
That’s ‘gall’, not ‘gaul’, I think..
Well, for one we have a really rough political climate these days, where even the tiniest misstep implies the risk of being framed ‘racist’.
We have, as this thread is all about, a loss of fundamental civil liberties.
We have a fundamental European value, the right to critizise religion, under heavy attack.
We have a permissiveness towards threats and intimidation that we haven’t seen the like of since the 30’s.
We have increasing crime, violence and strained social security systems.
All while we’re being demanded ‘Respect’ for a religion so arcane it’s stupid.
Society is bending at the edges. It’s good to see straight, simple citizens standing up and speaking the truth.
Kiwi said
To #127
“Well, for one we have a really rough political climate these days, where even the tiniest misstep implies the risk of being framed ‘racist’.”
–> This is not only about islam. If you talk about jewish, you will be “taxed” as antisemite
“We have, as this thread is all about, a loss of fundamental civil liberties.”
–> Islam in europe did not make it. This is the extremists. I agree with you that we need to fight them
“We have a fundamental European value, the right to critizise religion, under heavy attack.”
–> Try to critic Judaism —> antisemite. Moreover the critic should be objective and constructive. Not hurting the faith of people because this is the limit of the intolrent and irrespect. This is for all the religions.
“We have a permissiveness towards threats and intimidation that we haven’t seen the like of since the 30’s.”
–> Like I said, not due to islam but due the fanatic. I think the Sitemaster should change the title. If you want to demonstrate, the demonstrate against extermism and fanatism.
“We have increasing crime, violence and strained social security systems.”
–> Give some examples because in brussels, i am talking about it because I live there. If north-afican do something bad (crime or whatever), they are just taxed as muslims. This is completely wrong. If europen guy make a crime are we going to say, he is a christian??
Islam said that live is important: “if you kill one person, it is like to killed thye humanity”.
If the killers pretend to be muslims, then for me, they are not because they are not following the preceptes of the Kuran
“All while we’re being demanded ‘Respect’ for a religion so arcane it’s stupid.”
Islam requires to be tolerant and respect the others (neighboor, colleagues….). The problem is the people how they play with religion. they do not follow its education. Blame the people but not the religion.
“Society is bending at the edges. It’s good to see straight, simple citizens standing up and speaking the truth.”
It is good to have open discussion. Most of the muslims are pissed off of the people pretending to be muslims but in their actions they are doing the opposite of the islam education
Clive Dodd said
Henrik Ræder Clausen Says:
August 12th, 2007 at 12:31 pm
“You have the gaul to ask me how I’ve been effected by Moslems in Europe!”
That’s ‘gall’, not ‘gaul’, I think..
Yes you are correct Henrik, sorry about spelling error.
Steve (Brussels) said
Flemish Student:
You have a strange concept of democracy: forbidding a party such as Vlaams Belang because you do’nt like it! One million people voted for that party i.e. more votes than for the Parti Socialiste of Mullah Freddy Thielemans. But Mullah Freddy just like you does not believe in free speech that does not agree with his own obsolete socialist and dictatorial opinions.
And as far as your crooked concept of “racism” is concerned: a native Belgian who does not give a muslim what he wants because of his own incompetence or arrogance will call that native Belgian “racist”. That punch word always does the trick.
Kiwi:
Of course Iraqi children died as we could witness on TV: just because Saddam and his cronies were pocketing the “oil for food” money. How naïve can you be !
Eric C. said
Belgium did not exist in Shakespeare’s time. If it had, he would have written: “there’s something rotten in the state of Belgium” instead of Denmark.
Being Flemish and active in politics as a Flemish nationalist, I know what I am talking about.
Of course the demo on 9/11 is forbidden. Whoever knows about the Belgian situation, understands that. In this country, muslims are being used by french speaking, mostly socialist and liberal politicians, as a weapon to oppress the Flemish majority (+60% of the population). This has been going on for over 175 years now and on my many travels throughout Europe, I have come to notice that this situation is absolutely unheard of in the rest of our continent.
Denying a large group of people their basic rights is thus a constitutional prerogative for Belgian politicians. We are now on the brink of breaking this country up – just like happened in Tchekoslovakia and the Balkan – and those who are desperately trying to prevent that from happening are the same that will not tolerate that their muslim allies are being threathened.
Indead, the only good proposition I read here, is to demonstrate anyway, but with blank banners and boards and with white muffles around our mouths, in total silence. That’ll make more impact than anything else : silence can be deafening when somebody who has a lot to say is not allowed to do so!
Kiwi said
To steve:
You said Naive? All the wars and the problems have been created by the west. Check how they made borders (seperated the countries). Check the maps, the lines have been drawn vertically and horizontally in Africa. Dividing for ruling. that’s your slogan
Belgian Student said
@ Eric C.:
Another sick Flemish politician thinking Belgium is up to break, huh? Really, wake up: Belgium will never break into two parts. That’s nothing but wishfull thinking.
@ David:
It’s BELGIAN student, not FLEMISH. I’m not Flemish. I’ll quote you between [].
[You have a strange concept of democracy: forbidding a party such as Vlaams Belang because you do’nt like it! One million people voted for that party i.e. more votes than for the Parti Socialiste of Mullah Freddy Thielemans. But Mullah Freddy just like you does not believe in free speech that does not agree with his own obsolete socialist and dictatorial opinions.]
Democracy means in the first place respect to everyone. People who aren’t especting other people, don’t belong to democracy. That’s why it is right, in my opinion, to forbidracist political parties like the Vlaams Blok/Belang.
[And as far as your crooked concept of “racism” is concerned: a native Belgian who does not give a muslim what he wants because of his own incompetence or arrogance will call that native Belgian “racist”. That punch word always does the trick.]
If that native Belgian has no reasons to denie the muslim person something and only denies it because the other one is muslim, yes it is racism.
Philippe said
To Kiwi #132
Dear Kiwi,
Prior countries you had only forests and tribes in Africa!
For sure countries were designed by educated people coming from Europe (at least you need to be able to write before you draw maps)!
The same thing happened in the USA!
But let us make it clear, should we ban a pacific demonstration on 2007-9-11 just because borders happen to be straight in Africa?!
Philippe said
To Eric #131
Hi Eric, you’re blaming Walloons for not being able to deal with the socialist party but in the North, will you be able to make the VB win in a near future?! Until now, you have also failed.
So please be patient and trust me, there are a lot of hard-working walloons fighting on a daily basis both for our economy and our identity.
You can’t win against Islam if you’re already fighting your fellow brothers. In short, we’re in the same “shit”.
Eric C. said
I did not expect to be back so soon, but I thought this forum was supposed to be openhearted, democratic and truly against racism. But what do I read?:
“…Democracy means in the first place respect to everyone. People who aren’t respecting other people, don’t belong to democracy. That’s why it is right, in my opinion, to forbid racist political parties like the Vlaams Blok/Belang…”
Does the person who wrote these lines ever reread his own work? Not only does he admit to racism against voters for one democratic political party, but furthermore does he admit that “people who aren’t respecting other people, don’t belong to democracy”
And what, dear BELGIAN student, do you think muslim fundamentalists are?
This person probably is a foreign (muslim)student paid by the Belgian government to study at our universities for free. He’s picked up some of the Wallon hatred ‘debate’ against flemish nationalism and now thinks that he serves the muslim goals by quoting this sick bullshit.
Many years ago, I said, in a public adress on a meeting, that there are only two kinds of Muslims: The fundamentalists on one side, openly admitting to hatred, fascism, racism and a thrive to conquer the whole world and enslave it in the name of Allah, and there’s the other group, the vast and mostly silent majority, that can be denominated by only one right word: the hypocrits.
For what other word says correctly what these people are doing?
They pretend they want peace, but they never openly condemned 9/11! They pretend they are against fundamentalism, but they never acted against Al Quaida or other terrorists.
I say they are hypocrits. And if they disagree, they should prove me wrong in their actions against Muslim fundamentalism.
As long as they do not do so, they prove me right!
So do not come talk to me about respect but show me some.
Do not come to talk to me about racism but ban the racist lines from your Koran and Shariah.
Do not come talk to me about democracy but stop the funding of fundamentalism in the west with Saudi Arabian oil money.
Do not come talk to me about equality but give your women the equality you deny them right now
If not, admit to being a hypocrite and prove me right again.
Jackdm said
To kiwi # 125 :
Why don’t YOU demonstrate against YOUR extremists? You know, that’s the core of the problem : muslims always say they are moderate but in the facts they show their real support to their most radical fellows.
I have never seen a muslim manifestation agaisnt radical islam. NEVER. But I have seen you demonstrate against danish newspapers, for example, and in a very very agressive way…
I believe the facts not the blablabla…
Jackdm said
To “Belgian” student :
I quote you :
[Another sick Flemish politician thinking Belgium is up to break, huh? Really, wake up: Belgium will never break into two parts. That’s nothing but wishfull thinking.]
Really funny!!! YOU should wake up!
Belgium doesn’t even exist anymore!!! Look beter, it’s just becoming an empty shell! May I remind you that elections took place on June 10 and that whe don’t have a government yet because the two communities can’t get along?
Look here! It’s about Islam and democracy and, as always, whe end up arguing about our communities problems! And that’s the problem about “Belgium”!!! As long as we spend our energy fighting about our impossible couple, the world goes ahead and we don’t face the real challenges!!!
When in a couple, the fighting is continuous and the daily issues are therefore not faced, what’s the good move, fella?
Oh, and by the way, I’m not politician and I’m not flemish.
Anyway, let’s try to go back to the issue discussed here : islam against Democracy.
kiwi said
To Philippe #134
“But let us make it clear, should we ban a pacific demonstration on 2007-9-11 just because borders happen to be straight in Africa?!”
Because of the artificial borders, you created conflicts. The big one was the Rwanda (hutu, tusti…). Like I said, divide for better ruling!!! How many died? More than millions
What is the freedom of speach? When it starts and when it ends? Try to answer these simples questions
Try to negate the Shoa: you will get blames coming from everywhere. You will go to jail
That’s the reality…
kiwi said
To Eric #136
If you want to have the answers to your questions, just jump to “Centre Islamique de Belgique”. Go there and asked them your questions. Then come back to the forum with the answers… and shared them with us.
kiwi said
To Jackdm #138
What is Islam and what is democracy? Please post the definitions coming from the Dictionaries. Add your sources
Jackdm said
Ooooh, kiwi,(#141), you ask questions… You want to teach someone a lesson?
Ok, I’ll answer but I take no orders. OK, You don’t rule yet.
Democracy : a political system in wich the people exercises its own sovereignty by itself or by the means of representatives.
islam : a religion created by a psychopath (muhammad, look at his c.v…) which teaches that politics must be subdued to islam itself, reason why there is no islamic country being at the same time a democracy.
Clearly, the two are incompatible.
And now, go on defending the most radicals of your fellows and try to make us believe you’re a good guy.
Oh, by the way, you did not answer MY question? Why don’t YOU demonstrate against YOUR extremists?
Ok, I have the answer for you : because there is no soft islam nor hard islam. There is islam. Point. A “religion” so intolerant that it can not allow any deviation from the line. From the moment it says that coran was directly dictated (dictated…) to muhammad by your god, there is no possibilty of any improvement. Yet.
And if after all two tendancies are emerging (Sunnites and Chiites), look what happens : they fight each other to death!
Shame on such a religion.
But if we are all wrong, ok then. Prove it. BY THE FACTS. ACT. SHOW US THAT YOU HAVE A GREAT AND TOLERANT CIVILIZATION. AWAY FROM DARFUR. STOP VIOLENCE EVERYWHERE. STOP THE HAMAS. STOP THE HEZBOLLAH. STOP AHMADINEJAD. AND SO ONE…
No more blablabla with you. Where islam grows, violence increases.
Steve (Brussels) said
To Kiwi:
You seem to be a geopolitical border specialist. Yes, I know the muslim community (umma) does not need borders because the whole world belongs to Allah and of course to the muslims (who else?). It is clearly written in the Holy Quran. And indeed: true ideological dictatorships do not need borders. Wherever a muslim has urinated somewhere it becomes automatically muslim territory. That’s why they feel El Andalus still belongs to them. And muslims do not need borders either to create conflicts amongst themselves: see Fatah against Hamas or Sunni against Shia etc.. They seem so happy as long as blood keeps flowing somewhere. You do not need borders for that: the Kurds will tell you.
Another smart question of yours: What is freedom of speech ? Well that is what you are doing on this “kouffar” site: you are allowed just like everyone else to express your own personal views. And that is what we kouffars are not allowed to do on “muslim” sites ! For all that I have written on this very site I would no doubt have been lapidated or beheaded in a muslim country. Do you start to understand what freedom of speech means ? That is what we are also demonstrating for on 9/11/07 and that is what pro-islamofascists try to prohibit us to do.
If there is no freedom of speech there is no freedom of worship nor freedom of thinking and ultimately there is no democracy. Muslim countries are a perfect example of this. But that is what you and many muslims just want. This is also a reason we are demonstrating for: to defend the liberty our forefathers have fought for. Why should our present generation give up democracy ?Try to be aware that democracy also works to your own benefit.
Gaer Bolga said
This is a great victory.
Thielemans has only achieved to recognize that we’re right.
Forbidding this peaceful demonstration organized by people from all over Europe, saying he fears muslim violence will terrorize Brussels if it’s done, he has just proved islamization of Europe is a fact. A a real problem, a menace he’s the first one to take very seriously.
Thielemans and all the ones like him have also proved they aren’t only cowards, they’re also stupid.
For muslims who write here, for muslims that aren’t able to do anything else better than insulting and lying, don’t mistake our patience with weakness.
It’s been only a few decades since you arrived to Europe, trying to making us feel guilty while playing the victims you’re definitively not as anyone knows, realize that for each Thielemans there are many more Europeans ready to kick your islamic ass back to your sadly already islamized countries before you can imagine.
Try to keep messing with us and you’ll regret it. Europeans fought you back muslims in Poitiers in 732, in Viena in 1683 and altought the fall of Constantinople in 1453 or your recent massive bombings and killings in Madrid, London or Kosovo, etc. and the colonization of our cities and villages with big and even growing muslim-only no-go areas for Europeans we stand our ground. Our land, our cultures, our identities, our societies. I’m 29 years old and I’ve seen a big part of Barcelona overrun by muslims, as happens in so manys other European cities. This is not the future I want for Europe, for my sons.
By forbidding this peaceful demonstration Thielemans has proved that the reason that moved people all over Europe to join it it’s completly right and very real. Stop islamization of Europe!!
B, from Barcelona -Catalonia-.
Clive Dodd said
aer Bolga Says:
August 13th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
This is a great victory.
Thielemans has only achieved to recognize that we’re right.
Hear, hear well said and well delivered sir.
Philippe said
Kiwi #139
In case you quarrel with your wife at home, please, don’t blame the architect because walls are too straight!
kiwi said
To jackdm #142
your are not even able to put the correct definition from the dictionnaries. This shows your unfair
To Steve #143
Try to negate the shoa and we will see what is the freedom of speach? Try to caricature Prince Philipe (spain) and we will see what is the freedom of speach? Try to critic Cecilia Sarkozy and we will see what is the freedom of speach. That is the reality
Jackdm said
To kiwi :
So the truth comes from the dictionnary! Hahaha!!! You’re just unable to contest my point, that’s all. Your answer to my post # 142 is very poor indeed. And I don’t blame you for this, because the task is impossible to achieve!
Through your posts, you just proved your hatred toward the Western World, the Free World…
And your answer to Steve is ridiculous to say the least.
What’s your definition of a man who slaughters people by dozens and then throws them in a pit? A man able to marry a 9 year old child? Don’t check the dictionnary for this one.
Antonio said
He married a 6 years baby and consumate marriage when she was 9 (and he was about sixty).
who is he?
Gaer Bolga said
Over half the inhabitants of the Brussels region are of foreign origin, many of them from Morocco and other islamized countries.
Thielemans party is the largest party in Brussels, holding 17 of the 47 seats in the city council.
10 of the 17 Thielemans party councillors are muslims.
It governs Brussels in a coalition with the Christian-Democrats, who have 11 councillors, of whom 2 are muslims and 3 are immigrants from Sub-Saharan Africa.
Only 13 of the 28 councillors in the governing coalition of the city are native Belgians.
According to the mayor there is a real danger of violence between demonstrators and Muslims living in the neighbourhood.
Is Brussels an example of Europe’s future, almost present now?
Are we Europeans willing to become a minority forced to remain quiet and submissive, constantly avoiding to offend muslims sensibility and fearing to instigate their violence upon us, as colaborationists like Thielemans demand us to do?
Stop the islamization of Europe!!
Philippe said
To Antonio #149
Satan?
ThierrytheBelgian said
The raisons why the mayor of Brussel don’t authorised the demo are: 1)there are to many muslims in Brussel!!!
2)the gouvernment is affraid about the reaction of the muslim population!!!
3)the mayor have to many friends in the muslim’s congregation in Brussel!!!
4)the belgian’s gouvernment priority is to help the muslim’s immigration to come in Belgium and help the muslim’s population to be stronger year after year
5)every one here in Belgium who say something, write something or think something negatively about the muslim’s population is catalogated as a racist,a xenophob and an antisemity! And you will be go to jail in your own country! It’s that democracy? No, I think and I’m sure that we are in islamocracy!
So what can we do? Perhaps a revolution!
kiwi said
To Steve, Jackdm, Ancient Britain & Co,
We now saw your real faces: after reading all these posts, you are only talking about violence: kick the ass of islam, islam out of europe, reconquista and so on…
The hatred is orignitaing from your mouths, this is only the viewable face of the iceberg. I cannot imagine what your heart contains. My God…
All the references and sources you mentionned (frontepagemag and so on) have septic motivations. They are neo-conservators and Sionists. Yes that’s the word, your are the Sionists
I fully agree with the Mayor and the Police, they haven taken a wise decision knowing what your organization is and the hatred you are expressing.
Don’t forget to invite Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby, John Bolton, Elliott Abrams along with Richard Perle to the demonstration.
nordest said
Olà Kiwi, now we see YOUR real face: you’re a NAZI.
Congratulations… proud descendent of Jerusalem’s Gran Mufti and Hitler’s admirer Al-Husseini!
History repeats herself
Antonio said
To Phillipe
Rather his apostle.
To Kiwi – # 153
Hey, man! You look very angry. Calm down you may have a ratatak or vca.
Only muslims made violence in Europe: Riots in France, Madrid and london bombings, Theo van Gogh murder, danish cartoons riots and flags burnings, and so on.
Uncle Tom said
Oh dear! The Nazi Kiwi seems a little upset. He’s showing his real face now. This is what they call “Moderate Islam”?
Steve (Brussels) said
Kiwi:
We all know too well that islam is a religion of love and peace and whoever says the contrary should be beheaded: the peace of cemeteries muslim style ! Insults are a very weak alternative to facts and good arguments on a forum.
I was not islamophobic at all 20 years ago but muslims and lecture of the Holy Quran forced me to become a very convinced islamophobic.
Anyway: our democratic system has proved that you too are allowed to express your dislike of ideas that do not please you. And that would not be allowed in a muslim country. After all we all know too well that islam means submission or oppression or dictatorship and that is also what it truly is under its’ protective burka.
I understand that it does not please you that we attempt to tear open that beautiful but fragile protection garment ! Islam cannot stand any light, be it a candlelight, let alone halogen light.
Eric C. said
years ago (again) I wrote an article comparing muslims in our cities with Troy horses. I was quoted by many magazines and papers on this subject and each time my point of view was confirmed. I was scared – even then – for what all these muslims would bring to our countries. I saw the look in their eyes. It was not a look of gratitude for the welcome, the wealth and safety we offered them. It was not a look of respect for our culture. It was not a friendly look. It was the cold look of a mathematician, calculating how many more were needed to be able to grab the power.
Their arrogance and aggressiveness betrayed them. They could not stay quiet, they could not wait long enough. They had to bomb some cities and burn some cars and roll their muscles to show us what we had coming.
Their traitor allies among the autochtone people will no longer be allowed to protect them. WE will expose to the world what their true agenda is. We will warn every mother about what will happen to her sons and daughters if this continues. And WE will stop islamisation of Europe.
We still hold a vast majority and we will use that majority to democraticaly impose laws that will render it impossible for the hordes of hate to conquer our continent. That is the civilised way. No blood spilled. The democracy is served.
If the muslims answer this with their typical reaction: terror, bombs and apocalyptic spreading of fear, in an attempt to impose their minority will, they will be met back with a new crusade, all the way down to Mekka if need be.
All muslims who love peace and their fellow man should realise this. Therefore they should take action against those amongst them who want to set the world on fire.
Or do you really believe, in all your arrogance, that we will ‘go quietly into the night’?
This is a peacefull attempt to bring reason to the muslims and their leaders. By forbidding your fascist religion we force you to leave the path of hatred and violence. I would be the first to welcome a new Islam, focused on friendship, cohabitation and multiculturality. But in order to achieve that we must demonstrate, to show you we are serious. We must make new laws to protect us from your aggressiveness.
To ‘Kiwi’ since he attacked me before, I must answer this: do not try to offend my intelligence. If you have no real arguments, you’d better stay away from this forum. This is not a game of chess or a debate to prove how good you are with words. My 7 year old son can beat you at that game every time, he too does not stop babbling a
Yankee said
Hi All,
I have a few comments and remarks.
1. About the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. You are right, he did an alliance with Nazisme. This cannot be denied. However it was an alliance of circonstance. Jewish were taken the Palestians territory. Moreover this Mufty was not representing the muslims. What about Vichy? What about the Church regarding the Shoa? The Pope and the Vatican are ruling some values like abortion, contraception… We all know that a lot of Christians do not agree and have other opinions. Does that means that Christians follow all the rules of the Vatican?
2. About Islam and Democracy. I am a muslim living in Brussels. I am a belgian and french citizen. I have both nationalities. I have good european friends
On one hand, I am following the 5 prescript of islam (believe in God and his Prophet, pray 5 times a day, Ramadhan, pay charity and if possible do pilgrimage).
On the other hand, i am respecting the belgian laws. I used to vote here in Belgium and in France
Am I muslim? Yes. Am I democratic? Yes. Is this compatible? Yes, I am following the God rules and I am respecting the belgian laws. Koran asks for example to not ear pork. OK, I am following it. Is belgian law ask that all belgians citizens must eat pork? NO.
Islam allows the polygamy with strict conditions. Belgian law prohibit it. So I am following the belgian law. That’s a few examples
Muslims living in a non-muslim country need to follow the country laws as far as the country is not denying the 5 prescripts (see above). In that case, if it happens I will leave belgium because I cannot follow the 5 prescripts that do Islam.
3. About the “muslims” countries. We all know that these countries are not democratic because their dictators do not want to allow it. The day they do it, they will lose the power. We all know that the demonstrations in these countries are forbidden and if they are allowed, it is only when it serves the dictators. We saw it during the Dansish caricatur. Did you notice how Syria allowed the demonstrators to break some West ambassadies? Did we ever saw the demonstrators complaining againt their own authorities? And if this happens, see how many will die.
It is your right to critic islam but do it with objectivity.
Don’t confuse islam and islamism. The two concept are so different.
Yankee said
“Koran asks for example to not ear pork. OK, I am following it”
I meant I am Not following it
Antonio said
Long ago, when a kid I lived in France.
I went to school there and I saw the transforformation of gender segregated school in mixed school. Everybody told of it as a civilizational advance.
But what do we see now?
Muslims want gender separated schools, pools, hospitals, buses, etc.
And from time to time having a muslim saying he doesnot mean so doesnot change anything.
After many fight we had separation of church ans state. Crosses and priests were taken out of school. They had their place but dont ruled our life anymore.
But what do we see now?
muslims wanting Halal food in school, for all even no-muslims have to eat it, Veil and scarves in schools, Santa xclaus banned from schools, islamic festivals, and intervals for demonstrations of submission in schools.
And from time to time having a muslim saying he doesnot mean so doesnot change anything.
And when I see a muslim depicting himself has “democrat” I wonder: wich part of (democracy and Islam are incompatible) doesnot he understand?
Yankee said
It seems that in certain manner, the veil bother some people. My wife is wearing it since 18 yeard old. When I meet her she was already wearing it. It was her own decision, not enforce by parents, family or whatever. She made pharmacy studies. When it came for her to make the stages, she found a Pharmacy that was reticent to take her for the resaons that most of the clients are belgian…. Finally she took it for the stages. Seen the behaviour of my wife, the Pharmacy was happy and they changed their opinions. When my wife finished her stage, the clients were asking for her, is she going to come back, she a good one….
The Parmacy called her back and offer an employment. The behaviour is quite important.
Yankee said
The seperate of the Church and the State:
Except in France which is stricly applied, what about the other European countries?
These countries are under concordat: Belgium, Austria, Spain, Italy and Portugal
A concordat is often included both recognition and privileges for the Catholic Church in a particular country. Privileges might include influence on the structure and direction of state education, exemptions from certain legal matters and processes, and issues such as taxation and government funding directed to the Church, as well as the ability of a state to influence the selection of bishops within its territory. Although formally the name concordat was last used in 1980, secular organisations still report the use of concordats and similar type agreements between the Catholic Church and both national countries and bodies such as the EU.
A concordat is just one means that the Vatican will use to seek to influence political decisions taken by governments. The Catholic Church has been particularly vocal on issues of abortion in Ireland and Portugal, and in attempting to introduce references to Christianity in to the prospective EU constitution. Less high profile are agreements concerning taxation and state funding of Catholic institutions.
Countries were the State religion is, are
Denmark
Finland
Norway
United Kingdom
Antonio said
In France the law of separation of church and state is strictly aplied yes.
But not the separation of (islamic) religion and state. As for the case of this dhimmi mayor of Bruxelles, several french mayors are betraying France and french law and giving illegal aides to the building of mosques.
Taken from http://www.coranix.com that show how french in many cases prevented the contruction of more mosques
“L’imam attend « un 2è geste de la municipalité »
La municipalité de Poitiers vient d’allouer une subvention municipale d’un montant de 150 000 euros à l’Association des musulmans de Poitiers. L’imam de Poitiers espère une seconde enveloppe d’un même montant :
« On attend un deuxième geste de la part de la municipalité de Poitiers. »
For the very same reason this dhimmi mayor of Bruxelles has banned this demo, muslim votes, many french “Maires” are illegally subsiding mosques constructions in France.
No, the law of separation pf religion and state isnot strictly respected in France when it come to Islam. And it is the struggle of french that have enforced it.
Gaer Bolga said
Hospital staff in the Lothians have been told not to eat at their desks to avoid offending Muslim colleagues during Ramadan.
NHS Lothian has advised doctors and other health workers not to have working lunches during the 30-day fast, which begins next month.
The health service’s Equality and Diversity Officer sent an e-mail to all senior managers, giving guidance on religious tolerance.
This includes ensuring Muslim staff are given breaks to pray, and time off to celebrate Eid at the end of Ramadan.
It is understood they also advised hospital managers to move food trolleys away from areas where Muslims work.
An NHS spokesman said he could not confirm what was in the e-mail.
Jim McCaffery, director of acute services and workforce at NHS Lothian, said: “This e-mail was circulated to a number of senior managers as we continue to promote cultural awareness in our organisation.”
But the move has angered many doctors and politicians, who say it is taking religious tolerance too far.
Bill Aitken, Scottish Conservative justice spokesman, was reported as saying: “Frankly, this advice, well meaning as it may be, is total nonsense.
“This is the sort of thing that can stir up resentments rather than result in good relations.”
islam = islamism
Stop islamization of Europe
Gaer Bolga said
The Bishop of Breda -Netherlands-, Tiny Muskens, thinks “Allah” is a beautiful word for God and suggests it from now on.
He is aware that using the name “Allah” would be very emotional and therefore he says it must be thought about, prepared and weighed in advance.
However, he is convinced it will happen, whether it be over a century or two. Muskens had worked in Indonesia for eight years and had prayed there to Allah, saying he had called God “Allah” during mass.
islam = islamism
Stop islamization of Europe
Steve (Brussels) said
To Yankee:
I do not see what your point is.
We are against islamisation.
We do not want to be treated like dhimmi’s (second class citizens) in our own countries.
We do’nt want to be knifed in our own countries like Theo van Gogh or others who expressed views that muslims did not like.
We do’nt want to be called kouffar, infidels, apes, monkeys, pigs or idiots in our own countries.
We sympathise with christians, jews and other non-muslims who are tortured, killed, expelled, persecuted or harassed in muslim countries.
We do’nt want these things to happen in our countries.
And we do’nt specifically appreciate the veil, hijab, niqab, burka or whatever your wife wears to constantly remind us of all those things.
Yankee said
Steve,
“We are against islamisation.”
That is your choice
“We do not want to be treated like dhimmi’s (second class citizens) in our own countries.”
Who treated you as second class citizens? Can you tell me more?
“We do’nt want to be knifed in our own countries like Theo van Gogh or others who expressed views that muslims did not like.”
Jesus Christ was not crucified for his views?
“We do’nt want to be called kouffar, infidels, apes, monkeys, pigs or idiots in our own countries.”
I don’t know where you are living. Never heard about it in brussels
“We sympathise with christians, jews and other non-muslims who are tortured, killed, expelled, persecuted or harassed in muslim countries.”
I sympathise for all the victims, for whatever religions, they belongs
“And we do’nt specifically appreciate the veil, hijab, niqab, burka or whatever your wife wears to constantly remind us of all those things.”
As far as I know the Belgian Constitution allow the freedom of religion. I am following the law. There is no law that prohibit the veil in public area
alan said
i am english it seems the similars between our two nations are very apparant,a left wing goverment who kisses the backside of islam at every turn,i will be in brussels sept 11th,i urge every other european who as the same concerns to also be there,the time for revolution as come my friends,it is time to smash the liberal left who have created such a mess,and restore our nations for the good of our children and our childrens children,now is not the time for weakness,to listen to the pathetic mayor of brussels with his pathetic ban,now is the time for action,the talk must stop,the march must happen,no ifs no buts,everyone travel sept 11th,its time to show these pathetic political leaders and there muslim friends what they are up against,the will of a free europe,now the time is now,be there,
Antonio said
To Yanke
Form what you say you defend islamization of Europe. Its your right.
I am against. And it is my right.
But it seems that Mayor of Brussels defends the islamization of Europe. It is his right.
What is wrong is that he uses his duty of mayor to prevent those against it to demonstrate while ever allowing those who support islamization of Europe to do so.
“Who treated you as second class citizens? Can you tell me more?”
The copts can tell you more. If you really want to know ask them.
The fact it had not yet happened is absolutely not a warrant this would not happens in future. With this we want it prevented from happening.
“I don’t know where you are living. Never heard about it in brussels”
Never go to a mosque?
“I sympathise for all the victims, for whatever religions, they belongs”
You say you are muslim? You dont realize what islam is!
But burkas should be prohibited, if they are not. And photos for ID taken whithout any of these stuff, religion or no religion.
Jay said
C’mon Europe, where’s the leader that will unite the Europeans and kick out the vile Muslims.
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Claudio M.cc said
One only word : “BASTARDS”
sammy karl said
wowwww,I ‘m thrilled and finaly europe is waking up, dear friends I’m a christian Syrian and I’m living in Syria, we are minority in this country but we live better than other islamic countries even though the political system here in Syria is very bad but at least they don’t disturb us.
on the other hand all muslims around the world hate and detest the occidental civilisation and they think that in the future they will occupy Rome because they think it’s the capital of the christian world and to perform Mohammad’s prophecy,they think that by increasing their number and having many children in Europe they will dominate not Europe only but the world.
so I support this manifestation and i hope it will give you back all the benefits to avoid a chronic disease still negatively affects the humanity 1500 years a go, god bless you all and good luck.
Vicent said
YES to muslims BUT RESPECT EUROPEAN VALUES AND CULTURE.
EUROPE = dignity, human rights, respect…..
PD: EUROPE is divided. That’s a weakness.
Lead the value said
Today I have been reading all the discussion here….and for a split of a second I hesitated whether I shouldn’t be more understanding of the Middle East point of you…But as I went on, the argument became clear….
Europe may be democratic, but we will not have anyone to abuse this for their own benefit! I may be tolerant to other religions, but NOT for the price of surpressing our own cultural habits and customs, rules and regulations in order to accommodate Middle East demands! Not even alternate something that has been here for centuries! Nobody forced muslims to come to Europe, they came voluntarily because it’s a better life here, so don’t abuse our godness that we were tolerant of that! There is a limit to tolerance too!
We have a great saying in my country:
Who wants to live with ‘the wolfs’, has to howel with them too!!
The problem is, the muslims want to life with ‘the wolfs’, but they want to keep howeling with their own wolfpack. And it doesn’t work!! If you can’t howel with us, there is no point that you life in Europe. You can stay with your own!
Infidela said
Please go to Brussels and demonstrate. If you can’t stand up to the Brussels mayor now, how will you be able to stand up to muslims in the future?