A line in the sand
Posted by Sitemaster on August 21, 2007
This is the limit!
It all started with a planned, peaceful demonstration in Brussels with the title: Stop the islamisation of Europe. A demonstration with following slogans: No Sharia here, democracy not theocracy, enough is enough!
This demonstration, appealing to regular citizens, due to the rules of the demonstration – were supposed to end with a collection of signatures, collected from different countries.
This peaceful demonstration has not alone been banned by the mayor, but also criminalized – read here. A person, who is mayor of the capital of Europe, now wants to hinder the citizen of Europe in the right to demonstrate. On what legal ground, on which authority can this man do this?
None, of course. Therefore the organisers of SIOE call upon all to carry on and join the demonstration anyway, – because enough is enough.
If we do not draw a line in the sand, and reject the attempts of people like Thielemans to curb our rights – people like him will turn EU into a dictatorial state.
Therefore we also call upon all organisations and parties that support the aim of SIOE – to follow the example of SIOE Denmark and demonstrate in front of the embassies of Belgium – To wake them up in Brussels!
SIOE Denmark, Anders Gravers
Steve (Brussels) said
Great! Do’nt give in. Enough is enough. We do’nt want our children and grandchildren to become the victims of European politicians who are dhimmi collaborators.
Thielemans has authorized a demonstration in favor of Hamas and Hezbollah where US and Israeli flags were burned ! That is the type of collaborator and coward he is!
Ares said
UNfortunately, the belgian law allows a mayor to declare a demonstration forbidden if it may compromise public order. This is ALL LEFT to the appreciation of the mayor.
This thielemans is a coward, and he proves it once again. You should rather go demonstrate in Liege or Antwerp instead, so the authorities won’t have the time to forbid your demo and take the appropriate measures (including lots of policemen)…
Jane Hand said
If we back down now, and run from Thielemans’ threats then there really is no hope for the future. Defending our democratic freedoms is not going to be easy. Leftist governments, and Islamists will do everything in their power to stop movements like SIOE. If we don’t take a stand and protect our freedoms, life as we know it in our democracies will cease to exist. The future for the next generations, will be dark and miserable existences under totalitarian governments.
All of us must find our courage, and face down this evil. It won’t be easy, and many of us will suffer criminal charges, or violence perpetrated upon us. However, when one considers the horrific future that is being offered, there really is no other choice but to fight for our rights and freedoms. Fascists cannot be appeased – they are never satisfied. That has been proven on countless occasions. Indeed the line has been drawn, and it is time for all of us throughout the west to accept the challenge, and step up to that line shouting ENOUGH!
johntrenchard said
as somebody who has stayed on the sidelines being quietly supportive of you guys , this is the final straw.
i’ll met you guys in Brussels on 9/11. if i cant make it , the least i can do is link my blog to yours.
TheOPINIONATOR said
Clearly Thieleman is a figurehead for the majority Muslim city council – to give the “correct” appearance. He is their automaton.
It is high time that we speak out loudly and clearly against Islamisation.
IT IS UP TO US!
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Jackdm said
Hello, I agree with you all, especially with Steve who lives in Brussels just like me. Yes, enough is enough. Let’s stand, not concede. I visited Normandy this summer. Freedom has a price, our grandfathers paid it for us (thank you Americans, Canadians, Britons, thanks from the bottom of my heart) time has come to show that we are their decent grandsons.
Thanks guys. “L’union fait la force”, “United we are strong”, it’s supposed to be the moto of this strange “country”, “Belgium”, that is left dying because of morons like Thielemans.
Kevin F. Christof said
To Ares #2:
If it is within the power of a civil servant to arbitrarily and without actual justification say which protests proceed, and which not, then there is NO freedom of speech.
My freedom of speech rests on the same principle as my opponent’s same right to express completely contrary views.
Under what theory does this arbitrary bureaucrat contend that those protesting Israel and the US (and blaming these nations for the September 11, 2001 attacks and other supposed transgressions) is not a threat to public order, but that a group of ordinary Belgian citizens (and now citizens from many other countries as well) wish to commemorate that day and to protest against the extremists who brought that same attack?
To those who say protest in another city, understand that doing so is the first step toward the loss of freedom.
If you appease an alligator by feeding others to him first, you make yourself his last meal.
Appeasing those who abuse their power emboldens them further.
Belgians unable to assemble and speak in a Belgian city, their capital? Because a mayor does not like what they will say? But he lets others protest when he agrees with their views and constituencies?
Respectfully, and continuing my efforts in America, the great satan in the eyes of Islamists, to exercise my human rights in a once and soon to be again, great county, Belgium,
Kevin
passer-by said
Hey, I got this link from a friend, and after reading this article, I must say I’m not totally against this and not totally pro…
The thing is, this protest is handled absolutely wrong. Why? I quote:
Since the human rights are something no one will ever reject, SIOE will be unacceptable for political and social aspects. If any of this should be effective, there should be less generalized and more focused on the nature of people… They grew up in the samen environment, refuse to adjust in language/economy/etc., violent in physical verbal and religious ways, and so on.
What I’m trying to saying is, taking ‘islam’ as the main topic is not the most effective way to handle this.
(also note, that your freedom of speech is denied as you’re willing to deny a religion)
SIOE says: No, we’re not denying a religion, we deny the islamisation of Europe. By the way, islam is not only a religion, it’s also an ideology that seek to control every aspect of a persons life. Go and study.
Koniu said
i HAVE RIGHT TO LIVE IN NO-SHARIA COUNTRY AND I WILL DEMONSTRATE
Gerry said
I have just come across you website and organisation. I am here to help. We need a demo in London in the very near future.
If publicised, tens of thousands would attend!
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Kafir Kelbeh said
Will do what I can to help from the USA side…can’t make it to Brussells, but working with Gates & Vigilent Freedom to do what I can.
Keep up the Fight! Don’t Give in to Sharia! We’re here for you!
Kafir Kelbeh said
Sorry for misspell – Brussels.
Ares said
To Kevin F. Christof
You’re missing the point, Kevin. The fact is that, indeed, a society needs some laws to protect it against chaos. The law Thielemans used, was established to prevent public disorders. The mayor needs a legitimate motivation of his decision, which motivation is, I admit it, quite contestable.
I’m a belgian citizen, I’ve studied law, and I served it as well, but now, we’ve reached a point where we cannot even protest and show our concern about the religious islam integrism in our own country, whereas the same people that we wanna fight are allowed to protest against europe with slogans that are real calls to arms against us.
Time to wake up, kids…
Kevin F. Christof said
PASSERBY (#9) To protest against the imposition of Islamic Sharia law, or against any religion, is freedom of speech. You say “you are willing to deny a religion.” Nobody is denying a religion. By your logic Martin Luther could not have written critically of the Pope and Catholic Church. Martin Luther didn’t deny the Pope or the Catholic Church or the right of its adherents to worship. He criticized its policies.
I am not denying that you have the right to your opinion right now, in disputing your point of view as you posted it — I am criticizing it. That is what freedom of thought and expression is.
Has anybody prevented Islamic marchers from saying this:
NO!
(The picture shows Islamic marchers in Europe with placards entitled: “Butcher those who mock Islam” and “Europe you will pay your extermination is on its way.”)
So why are you against anyone who wants to voice their opinion in support of Europe and against its “slaying” (to use an Islamicist’s own words)?
Kevin F. Christof said
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg
Link for post #13
Kafir Kelbeh said
Kevin,
I think those protests were in response to the Danish cartoons? I remember seeing them (or similar) around that time.
I keep some of the cartoons, protest photos, & responding cartoons on my wall to remind me why I flap my yap.
I always appreciate the additional reminders…gives me the energy I need. So, thanks!
And buy Danish!
Kevin F. Christof said
TO: Ares
I understand the necessity and validity of laws that ensure public order. But I respectfully disagree with you when you claim I am missing the point. When a law to preserve public order is used as a pretext to prevent peaceful assembly and expression, then that is a situation where freedom is suppressed. “Public order” laws were frequently invoked to stifle assemblies and marches by blacks and others supporting civil rights in the United States in the 1960s. Those laws were used as pretexts to prevent the marches and to suppress freedom.
Perhaps we are talking past one another, and we do not fully appreciate the differences between our respective countries and the finer distinctions of their laws. But when a law is used as a pretext, anywhere, to suppress freedom, then there is no real freedom.
You might refer also to the Islamic protesters pictured in link 17. Nobody suppressed their freedom, though the placards called for “slaying Europe.” The depicted demonstration did not occur in Brussels. But the point remains: the power to use a law as a pretext to suppress freedom is the power to subvert freedom itself.
Kevin F. Christof said
TO KAFIR KELBEH:
I am not sure which event triggered the demonstrations pictured and linked to in post 17. It could have been the Pope’s quotation of a historical source, the British Queen’s knighting Salmon Rushdie, the “cartoons,” or Theo Van Gogh’s documentary. However, there are numerous such examples available to anyone who will search the web. My larger point is the contrast between what is evident here for all to see and the comments of some on this board who believe opposing such blatant hatred and threats of violence is “racist” and “xenophobic.”
As you suggest I will buy Danish. Ham in fact. http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_26682,00.html
Kevin
J Lee said
Have just returned from a month touring in Europe. Seems to me that you are about to lose the battle of Islamization. The UK already has.