Peaceful 9/11 demonstration in Brussels
Posted by Sitemaster on August 30, 2007
SIOE is an umbrella organisation represented by people from various countries, various religions, various races and various politically views. But we have one thing in common. We are peaceful and want to stop the islamisation of Europe.
We think racism is the lowest form of human stupidity, so therefore we don’t understand the medias in Belgium calling our demonstration “right-wing”. We are neither right, middle or left wing. We only have one common goal: To stop the islamisation of europe.
Therefore racists and violent people or organisations are not welcome to join our demonstration. We have no connection with these kind of people, Stormfront, Blood and honour and if they come to destroy our march, our stewarts will take care of them, or we will let the police take them out.
We will not let anyone, minority or single persons, whos desire is to glorify their own ego, spoil our march to stop the islamisation, and if anyone tries to, we will hang them out to dry on our blogs afterwards.
August 30, 2007 at 5:04 pm
well said
August 30, 2007 at 6:52 pm
Crystal Clear! That’s music to my ears! Okay, let’s go to Brussels! Let us all stand up for our freedom! Enough is enough!
August 30, 2007 at 7:33 pm
I tried to register on Stormfront’s forum to tell them not to cause trouble, but they won’t let me post.
We are likely to have people from many ethnic backgrounds turning up, Sikhs etc. who have been persecuted by Islamists or have relatives persecuted by Islamists.
Stopping Islam is the aim - the sole aim. Anything else is subserviant to this goal.
If anybody is comfortable with this and comfortable with marching alongside people of other races, they can come.
I’m more worried about Thielemans’s socialist colleagues putting plants in the march to cause trouble than any people Thielemans describes as ‘right wing racists’ causing trouble.
We’ve seen Thielemans’s double standards in full cry so planting a few 5th columnists in our midst to discredit our irrefutable case is not beyond people of his sordid ilk.
The fightback is not beginning - it has begun and ordinary folk are fearless!
There is nothing quite as squalid as a socialist wielding a swastika to brand innocent law abiding people as Nazis, but there is nothing such people will not resort to.
August 30, 2007 at 8:02 pm
Stopping Islmisation is the aim, of course
August 30, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Amen to that.
We go to Brussels , we speak our words , we will do it peacefully ….but there will be no denying us (any longer) …it starts..or maybe better it stops right there .
Brussels 9/11 12.00h
August 30, 2007 at 11:01 pm
I hope it will be a multi-cultural and multi-ethnic demonstration united by one goal: stop the destroyer of other cultures. Especially ex-muslims should be welcome.
However I can miss whitepower or blood and honour scum as a tooth ache, so we better keep an eye on them and their websites. If you know any of them tend to come to Brussels by busses, please contact the authorities and make it official, so the authorities have no other choise but to stop them in an early stage.
Other problem might be the Arab-European league who are planning a counter demonstration
August 31, 2007 at 12:33 am
If extreme groups try to cause trouble at the demonstration then they will be doing their civilisation a great disservice. It is important that the voices of ordinary law abiding people can be heard. It is also important that the ridiculous accusations about the demonstration being a ‘far right’ enterprise are disproved. This demonstration is a great opportunity to get the silent majority of Europe involved in our movement. This will not happen if groups try to hijack the demonstration for their own purposes. A successful and peaceful demonstration will mean that more pressure is put on our so-called leaders who perhaps do not have the best interests of the people of Europe foremost in their minds.
August 31, 2007 at 2:04 am
Just checking in… I put your linked banner up on my blog and peek in once in awhile as the day nears. I’ll try to generate more publicity for you right before the march, and I hope all goes well.
You will very likely get plants in the march who will try to disrupt and especially discredit you, so I hope you’ll have some sharp-eyed stewards keeping tabs. You may also have muslims who will try to start fights in order to halt the march as being too dangerous to continue, and it might be a good idea to have a little talk with the on-duty police captain about this possibility, make an appeal for honest and unbiased assistance and mention that news media will be covering the event along with a lot of private individuals with video cameras. Couldn’t hurt.
I sure hope you wake up a lot of people with this and especially those in the seats of power.
Good luck from Washington state, USA
August 31, 2007 at 10:23 am
Hi,
I send an email to the VRT about a new item on their site 29/08 : http://www.vrtnieuws.net/cm/vrtnieuws.net/nieuws/binnenland/1.174133 :
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Raad van State tegen anti-islambetoging
wo 29/08/07 - De Raad van State handhaaft het verbod op een betoging tegen de islam in Brussel. Burgemeester Thielemans had die eerder verboden.
De Raad van State heeft dus geen probleem met het verbod op de betoging. Dat meldt de advocaat van de stad Brussel.
Een aantal extreemrechtse groepen wilden op 11 september in Brussel een betoging houden tegen de islam.
De Brusselse burgemeester Freddy Thielemans zag dat anders en vaardigde een verbod uit.
De organisatoren trokken daarna naar de Raad van State, maar krijgen daar dus nu ongelijk.
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I’ll try to translate in English (a bit literal for not loosing the tone of the statement on the newssite) :
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Raad van State (the court) against anti-islam demonstration.
wo 29/08/07 - The court (Raad van State) maintains the ban an a demonstration against islam in Brussels. Mayor Thielemans had forbidden that earlier.
The court had no problem with that ban the lawyer of Brussels stated.
A couple of extreem-right groups wanted to hold on the 11th of september a demonstration against islam.
Brussels mayor Freddy Thielemans saw that otherwise and declared a ban.
The organisators went to the Raad van State (the court) but that doesn’t work out now.
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In my email (through the website) I statet the following (in short):
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Please do on correct newsgattering en newsreporting :
1/ it is a demonstration against the islamisation of Europe, not anti-islam
2/ The organisation of the demonstration is SIOE (surely not extreem-right). If your newsservice would take the time to look at the contentions eg. : http://sioe.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/peaceful-911-demonstration-in-brussels/
3/ Only ather an item was posted on De Morgen (belgian newspaper) there was knowledge a little group of extreem-right people would possibly participate (and of course that immediately turned out in a hot-item)
4/ I really am curious how independent the newsreport will be afther the demonstration, or would you only highlight the extreem-right group?
All the above for what is is worth (probably shouting in the dessert).
A moderate concerned citizen.
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To SIOE: wouldn’t it be good to make an official statement/pressrelease (based on your posting “peaceful 9/11 demonstration in Brussels”
and send it to the great news agencies like Belga (for Belgium). A lot of the newsitems on sites and newspapers are from Belga.
-> http://www.belga.be/EN/home.asp?lang=EN
For a pressrelease -> http://www.belgadirect.be/script_UK/welcome.asp
There is of course no guarantee that radio, tv, of newspapers will pick it up for release.
Pricelist (from the site):
1. For distribution of a single press release, the cost is € 272.86
SINGLE RELEASE : 272.86 EUR
2. Subscriptions
4 - 11 RELEASES : 163.72 EUR / release
Quiet pricy…
y_not
August 31, 2007 at 4:08 pm
http://www.hln.be/hlns/cache/det/art_569837.html?wt.bron=homeArt19
No time now to give you an complete translation of the article (at work here) but maybe someone else will ?
in (very) short : thielemans has also forbidden the AEL demo on 9/11 and the AEL leadership is calling its members not to go demonstrate on 9/11 , they will ask thielemans to do their demo on another date… (reason : they want to obey the law and they do not want to clash with the anti-islam faschists of SIOE (sic) )
August 31, 2007 at 4:57 pm
Y_Not
Well done!
I may want to add that the lawyer representing the city of Brussels is Emmanuel Jacobowitz from the law offices of Marc Uyttendaele & Associates. Marc Uyttendaele is the husband of Laurette Onkelinx, our Minister of Justice. Like Freddy Thielemans she is also a socialist and she considers herself a “progressive socialist”. I must say that thanks to her loose policies the crime rate in Belgium has much “progressed” over the past five years.
Some people prefer to call Laurette Onkelinx our Minister of Injustice.
August 31, 2007 at 6:18 pm
there is nobody who can prohibit me demonstration- 9/11, stop islamisation today !, tomorrow it may be to late.
August 31, 2007 at 6:44 pm
well-done. I fully support you. as someone who lived in iran for 26 years I fully understand your concerns. Islam can not co-exist with human rights. Islam in my mind equals fascim. Belive me.
August 31, 2007 at 9:12 pm
OK , here goes the translation (just got home from work ) http://www.hln.be/hlns/cache/det/art_569837.html?wt.bron=homeArt19
(Title) AEL CALLS ON MEMBERS TO NOT GO DEMONSTRATE IN BRUSSELS ON SEPTEMBER THE 11TH
(body) The arabic-european league (AEL)calls upon its members to not go demonstrate in brussels on september the 11th.
This was communicated by the AEL in a press release after brussels´mayor freddy thielemans has today also banned their request to hold a demo on september the 11th.
The AEL however says that they deeply disagree with the way the brussels mayor communicates.
According to Thielemans , the AEL has not completely followed the normal procedure for a request.
Nonetheless we will accept this decision and respect it.We can show understanding for the mayors decision and his argumentation.
(subtitle) PROVOCATIONS
(body) According to AEL the public order is in danger”because of possible provocations by the anti-islam fascists of SIOE(stop the islamisation of europe)and the fact that their previous demonstrations allready had a violent course.”
We show no interest in clashing with these fascists and as law-abiding citizens we will accept this decision.
AEL however does not let go of its plan to hold a demo and will turn in a request for a demo in brussels on another date.
(subtitle) NINE ELEVEN
(body) on august the 9th thielemans also forbid the anti-islam demo of the SIOE inspired by security concerns.
For a demo on september 9th ,concerning the attacks on september the 11th 2001, he did give permission.
United for truth , an association of leftist organizations ,wants to use a demo to demand a new investigation into the attacks of nine eleven.(belga/hln)
(end of article)
there you go , happy reading mates .
September 1, 2007 at 12:14 am
In my opinion if it were discovered that Thielemans colluded with AEL to set up their phoney demo as a way of excusing Thielemans stupid ban of the SIOE march, I would not be surprised.
There was never any intention to hold an AEL demo, in my opinion.
Now AEL is telling its supporters not to go to Brussels on 11th September. This is because Thielemans had let the cat out of the bag when he said he feared violence from what are essentially his voters, Muslims in Brussels.
In SIOE’s opinion, Thielemans having condemned his own supporters he and they had to find a way of making them look “peacable”, hence their hurriedly arranged non-demo, Thielemans’s pretend banning of their non-demo so as to appear even-handed, and AEL’s declaration not to go to Brussels so as not to antagonise “fascists”.
They are kidding nobody who possesses a working brain.
So another victory for SIOE.
September 1, 2007 at 12:47 am
“….so therefore we don’t understand the medias in Belgium calling our demonstration “right-wing”…..”
Because the topic doesn’t fit in the Belgian “left-wing” media. They only report when it can be reported “negatively”. Nothing was reported at all when the 9/11 Demo was announced weeks ago. It just couldn’t be turned into something “right-wing”.
Meaning, it’s not a matter of understanding the medias in Belgium…. but knowing how inobjective the medias are in Belgium.
Belgium (as long it lasts) is no longer a democracy…, has no longer freedom of speech…., only has dis(mis)-informing media.
But that is no longer a secret for SIOE, isn’t it.
A Q probably of general interest : only National Flags are allowed, what about flags of the Belgian Regions (Flanders, …..) ? For many of us, that’s the Flag of our country, and within Belgium they are official.
September 1, 2007 at 4:37 am
Have a look on what’s happening to the french site “Blog du Cochon Hallal”. I don’t want to leave a link here redirecting to the blog of the stupid R.W. But, if you go to Faithfreedom, you’ll have the link and the story.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=47152
This is incredible.
And on its blog this Mr W speaks about SIOE too now… have a look, you won’t regret it.
September 1, 2007 at 11:14 am
ISLAM NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
September 2, 2007 at 5:06 am
Seems to me you guys are paranoid about Nationalists, nationalists are not racists. try and learn the difference please or dwell in your ignorance forever.
the main problem will be as someone else said, communists pretending to be neo Nazi.
these people should be stamped out…NOT the proud nationalist groups.
wise up or loose the fight!
SIOE says: We don’t know where you get that we should be paranoid about nationalists?? SIAD in Denmark is a nationalist party, and they are certainly not rascists. We are fully aware that to be a nationalist, is not the same as being a rascist, even though the medias desperate try to make that link.
September 2, 2007 at 5:10 am
i will be there with 10,000 fellow BNP members, you will see for yourself that we are not racist but good honest peace loving family men who love our country and our culture.
September 2, 2007 at 2:41 pm
I am an English nationalist. Walter has highlighted the problem with his comment about the Flanders flag. This sends out a mixed message, especially in Belgium, which is why we made the decision we did. The simple answer is don’t carry any flag?
If Flemish nationalists want to have a Stop Islamisation Of Flanders demo then SIOE will support it at another time. Organise one Walter.
Why can’t people see that cooperation will win us the war. Wars comprise individual battles. One Brussels demo is just a battle, not the war.
If Walloons want to stop Islamisation of Europe then march with them for a few hours in one day without getting into anything else.
Not making a statement can be as powerful a way of making a point as making a statement. Think about it.
September 2, 2007 at 2:53 pm
One of the main puposes of the Brussels demo was to bring together groups, organisations and parties of similar mind and enable them to plan future events together.
If people can just forget about other stuff for this first demo then we will find other events will happen more easily.
What is needed more than anything else now is courage. Courage not only to do things, but also not to do things.
The things left undone can be done another time.
One of the biggest obstacles we have had to overcome is people saying “we won’t go because they are going”, but we overcame this obstacle in a good number of cases.
Imagine how it would look to the world if we had white commies calling Indonesian, Hindus and Sikhs “fascists” and “racists”. This is the real reason thilemans banned the march, because he knew we had won.
We are shoving what the self-styled “liberal left” use against us back down their own throats.
We will win and they will lose because we have right and reason on our side.
September 2, 2007 at 3:03 pm
If separatists organisations want to come together in another demo to Stop Islamisation Of Europe, what better place to start than 11th September?
Catalan, Corsican and Flemish separatists can do it another time.
Getting together first is what is needed.
I don’t have an opinion either way, other than to support peoples’ democratic rights.
September 2, 2007 at 5:41 pm
# John Batton
I have just read through the internetpage of the British national party - and to me it reminds me very much of the same stance as SIAD, just with a british perspective.
We fight for democracy - and Denmark. Notice the danish flag at the top of the page, and Holger Danske the national hero of Denmark.
The point is, that democracy is like a family, it only works if people respect each other and want to have democracy. If you have a part of the family who wants to live acording to a book full of rules, it just does not work.
In Denmark we have the philosopher Grundtvig to fall back on as a political party, so we are not so vulnerable to the racist attack.
Personally i look forward to chance to share experience with the British National Party - and you are welcome, with respect to the agreed nonviolent rules.
well met.
September 2, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Well said stephen ,
I could be considered a “moderate” separatist (i´m flemish) - means i would like the belgian system to evolve into a more confederalistic state model … but the demo has absolutely nothing to do with that … i´ll be happy to march alongside my wallon brothers who value democracy just as i do (in belgium it´s quite unimaginable that wallons will march in the same march and shout the same slogans as filip dewinter who will also attend the demo) but the whole point is exactly that : this is much bigger than differences between communities within democratic states…what is going on here is a full frontal attack on democracy itself,if we want to stand a chance we should put aside any differences we might have and unite under one banner.We could in fact achieve what our political leaders never managed to do , to unite and stand together as one , one so loud that even in the high tower of the brussels eurocrats they cant pretend to not hear us .
September 2, 2007 at 8:21 pm
With respect yggdrasil you know nothing of Britain and its politics. I do.
This comments thread is digressing from the point of the march is meant to be, an inclusive one for people with a common goal. Discussing individual party stances is exactly the opposite from what SIOE is about.
The most important danger to our continent is Islamisation with which many if not most of our politicians are complicit.
Let’s stick together in defeating that. The merits of political parties has no place here
September 3, 2007 at 5:26 pm
From what I read, my Q (question) was completely misunderstood.
My Q was : are official flags from regions allowed, yes or no.
No more than that. IMHO it should be allowed as they are official.
Of course this doesn’t influence in any way the decision of participating allongside people from other regions. It only influences the decision “will I carry a flag, or not”.
So please let’s stay on topic.
Greetz
September 4, 2007 at 4:15 pm
Czechs are going to be there
we no what the freedom costs are… no muslims wanted in Europe.
September 4, 2007 at 6:15 pm
[...] Extreem-rechtse personen evenals spandoeken/banners met extreem-rechtse leuzen zijn dus niet welkom!!!! [...]
September 4, 2007 at 11:25 pm
I am delighted to see a movement which isn’t racist but anti-fascist. Because these islamic death merchants are just fascists with brown skin.
September 5, 2007 at 11:01 am
Czech republic and Poland will join You in Brussel!
See You all there!
September 6, 2007 at 5:45 pm
OK. We will arrive. Czech
September 11, 2007 at 6:02 am
Are you motherfuckers trying to start the 3rd world war?